Live from an Israeli bunker

Tuesday, August 01, 2006

You bastards, is it worth it?

Qana, south Lebanon. July 30th, sometime after midnight. An airstrike by an Israeli plane hits a building. The building collapses, 7 hours later. The building was marked as a target because of suspicion of Hezbollah operations, rockets, and launchers. The village has been targeted a number of days prior.


Possible reasons for building collapse seven hours after being hit? Foundations could have slowly grown weaker until giving out, it's possible. I don't know if other possible reasons occur to people after hearing the words "Israel, hit, in Lebanon, casualties" in the same sentence.


I mean, we have all seen those pictures of dead kids from that attack right? Click on the title of this post if you didn't. I'm not denying there are casualties, of course there are, but if you were to follow that link (before posting, like so many of you won't do) you'd see how the pictures are created. Those pictures are propaganda and do not explain why people didn't get out after 7 hours, why people stayed there after the village has been targeted a few days before, and after being repeatedly warned before that.


The area was targeted before (successfully) because of Hezbollah operations in it. Instead of repeating that again so you will understand it, I'll give you this quote: "I lived until 2002 in a small southern village near Mardshajund that is inhabited by a majority of Shias like me. After Israel left Lebanon, it did not take long for Hezbollah to have its say in other towns. Received as successful resistance fighters and armed to the teeth, they stored rockets in bunkers in our town as well. The social work of the Party of God consisted in building a school and a residence over these bunkers! A local sheikh explained to me laughing that the Jews would lose in any event because the rockets would either be fired at them or if they attacked the rockets depots, they would be condemned by world opinion on account of the dead civilians. These people do not care about the Lebanese population, they use them as shields, and, once dead, as propaganda. As long as they continue existing there, there will be no tranquility and peace." - lgf.


Add that to reports of Hezbollah actually planting its flag on schools and hospitals and preventing people from leaving areas that IDF enters (the later confirmed independently on this blog). Shall we go over the sequence of event again?


July 28th, the Israeli air force bombs Hezbollah targets in the area successfully (other buildings nearby) after warning civilians to leave. July 30th, another building is hit. Seven hours later building falls down. Photographs are being setup to maximize dramatic effect, parading the dead around. Millions of people see pictures and immediately decide what happened. In light of Hezbollah's confirmed actions from the past, the shady circumstances of the building collapsing and the above quote directly from a former resident of the area, would you not like to pause and think about it a little bit more?


When terror organizations hide amongst and use the populations your going to have civilian casualties and that's unavoidable. As far as I know, today there was no sirens in Haifa. Is it worth it? People died. People died and it's terrible, and I feel bad, but the title of this post, that question should be addressed to Hezbollah and not Israel.


You also very likely didn't see the picture of the 7 year old killed together with his grandmother a few days ago. If you did, it wasn't of what remained of his body but him smiling, forever being 7 from that moment on. You probably didn't hear about it actually. We don't parade our dead, we bite our lip and carry on. Due to the events described above, air operations have been cut down to immediate threats instead of strategic targets, ground force activity will increase and soldiers will die as result.


Personally, I'm sad for innocent lives lost from both sides.

124 Comments:

  • I really like to read your blog because it really contains a very independent viewpoint on this conflict that takes place in the Middle-East. By the way, since I'm from Canada, what do you personally think about my country's diplomatic stand on this conflict?

    By Blogger Anh Khoi Do, at 7:23 AM  

  • god im so tired of seeing people just follow along like sheep when a man on a camera says this is what happened you can trust it.

    and its amazing israel stops its airstrikes.

    hezbollah amazingly has mortars suddenly moved into possition to bombard israeli border towns

    this is just one battle in a war against not a nation or even religion but a ideal a ideal of hate manufactured by sheiks and muslim leaders 40yrs ago this is a war not against muslims not agains arabs but hate and in my opinion evil

    when you wish for your children to die as a suicide bomber that is evil let them be children teach them to build not to hate ever ask yourself why one of the richest regions in oil and natural gas is also one of the poorest....they dont care about there people or nations soly there power

    ps hope you havin fun in cannada eugene stay safe and cool

    By Blogger james, at 7:53 AM  

  • Eugene,

    A-7 said that the casualty # is not as high as it had been reported. It's under investigation.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 7:58 AM  

  • If you're not already aware of "green helmet man" - a clear case of Hezbollah manipulating the bombing at Qana - then visit http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/ for a detailed analysis of how Hezbollah manipulated the story.

    What's really surprising is that the story was harrowing enough without the need to manipulate it. Just how low can these people go?

    By Blogger UK Daily Pundit, at 10:03 AM  

  • Hizbollah has helped the Israeli war plan by inflaming the Arab street.

    Tactics, Strategy, Grand Strategy

    By Blogger M. Simon, at 1:23 PM  

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    By Blogger Jean, at 4:16 PM  

  • To all, have a thought for those fallen angels (the children of Qana).
    I am a christian, and in the bible, Jesus made his first miracle on earth in Qana, where he transformed the water into wine.

    Now look at Qana..

    By Blogger Jean, at 4:17 PM  

  • Go back to Israel, you prick!

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 7:04 PM  

  • The Lebanese Govt has ceded control of the South to Hezbollah so it can focus on rebuilding revenue-generating areas like Beirut.

    Surely as the Occupying Power Hezbollah is responsible for providing food and water to its citizensl; after all it taxes them, polices them, and claims to defend them.

    Hezbollah acts like a government in the South and is a component of a federal governmrent in Beirut; it cannot really store munitions in civilian areas and fire rockets from villages and expect that merely by dressing its operatives in civilian clothes it can escape censure.

    No TV camera has yet shown me a single image of the kind of person firing rockets at Israel. Why not ?

    I can see an Israeli soldier with a rifle, or with an SPG firing artillery - but I have not seen one image of a Hezbollah man - why are they so camera shy ?

    By Blogger Voyager, at 9:18 PM  

  • johnny maudlin said...

    My comment stands, you bullet-headed baby killing warmonger, and in the context readers ought to be made aware of.

    My comment was and is in response to that blogger's bullshit propaganda campaign that essentially attempts to suggest the real problem in Qana was the Hezbollah using dead children for photo ops.

    Between the bullet headed Israeli neighbourhood bullies and the fanatic Islamic fascists there is just nothing to choose from.

    Both deserve one another for this endless firestorm. So, fuck off back to Israel and pick up your rifle. Make sure you know which end is up and try not to bayonet any babies while you are protecting the land god gave to you.

    Speaking of picking things up in your hands, may I suggest, in one last hopeless attempt at the great Canadian tradition of peace keeping, that you pick up that dick of yours and give it a tug. It may take your mind off your troubles and ratchet down your blood lust.

    11:25 AM

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 9:28 PM  

  • johnny maudlin is a bit vitriolic for an HR guy.........now tell me if you have heard Anna Netrebko since you profess to like opera ?

    By Blogger Voyager, at 10:04 PM  

  • One of the reasons I continue to return to this blog is that it is refreshing to view the contrast between the well written and mature observations and arguements of a 17 year old with those of some so called adults...

    I despise the killing of innocents and Qana is worthy of discussion without the ad hominem attacks.

    By Blogger Beldar, at 10:13 PM  

  • Hello Eugene,
    Glad to see you posting again.
    As for the matter of Qana, I would like to draw your attention to the following facts:

    The building did in fact collapse 7 to 8 hours after the IAF strike. why ? simply because the building did not suffer a direct hit !! the bomb fell meters away from the building.
    That also explains the roof being intact.

    So the building collapsed hours later because it was not hit directly.
    The bomb fell around midnight, and the building collapsed around 7 or 8 a.m.

    So now the million dollar question: why the heck did people stay in there ???
    and here's the 10 million dollar answer:
    Keep in mind that those people were refugees from elsewhere, not the normal residents of this building.

    Now to explain to you what it means to be a refugee in qana, which is kind of contradictory.
    Being a Refugee in Qana, means that you are one of the poorest people of the south, it means you could not afford a car to flee completely from the danger zone, it means you could not afford to pay the fuel to flee, it means that your house has already been targeted, it also means you have a family of many (many) members, especially children, and you feel damn helpless to protect them.

    It is easy for us to say, they should have left the building.
    But to where ?? it was the middle of the night, those people were refugees in a town that is not theirs.
    flee the building ? go outside and be even more exposed ? I guess it was not even an option.

    I would really, really, like to see anyone trying to flee an area with your 10-15 children, and wife, on roads that have been bombarded from all sides, bridges destroyed, with fighter jets roaring above your head, and Hizbullah fighters trying to prevent you from leaving.

    That is the sad truth about Qana.

    The saddest thing, and the most enfuriating is that Hizbullah is using civilians as shields, and in my opinion, they are as much responsible for Qana as the persons who pulled the trigger.

    There is no doubt HA were trying to set up for "Qana 2" all along..
    There are many testimonies now about how HA is preventing people from fleeing, and how the fighters are going into villages to fire from there.
    it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that HA fired from next to that building.

    Jean
    --

    (sorry for my previous post, which had some copy-paste parts left in it)

    By Blogger Jean, at 10:50 PM  

  • here's the 10 million dollar answer:
    Keep in mind that those people were refugees from elsewhere, not the normal residents of this building.


    I guess you don't move until the man with the gun says you can............

    By Blogger Voyager, at 11:39 PM  

  • LOOK WHAT I CAME ACROSS---

    The Parade of Dead Children

    The use of dead children for propaganda is nothing new for Islamofascists. Pallywood immortalized one such hoax, known around the world as poor, pathetic Muhommed al-Dura; and the Islamist propaganda machine churns overtime to push the emotional buttons of the Western psyche. By staging dramatic video footage of dead women and children, or better yet, a young pregnant women (a two-fer), they know that with the Western media’s help, they can drum up weeks’ worth of manufactured outrage and condemnation on behalf of their terrorist cause.

    The Palestinians have perfected the art of mugging and posing for the camera, able to conjure up ululations of sorrow and grimaces of agony on a moments’ notice. Hollywood’s Oscar winners should be so emotionally versatile. Iraqis, well-trained by the Hussein regime to manipulate the Western media, are masters at it. They’ve perfected the science of freezing dead babies to later parade through the streets for shocked Western photojournalists. Our soldiers are now bearing the brunt of such practised PR campaigns.

    So it does not surprise me one single bit to hear that Hezbollah is applying such strategy to their cause in southern Lebanon. Hiding among women and children has turned world opinion against them, so they have resorted to the old Parade Of Dead Babies schtick. It’s gruesome on the one hand, and so callously canny on the other.

    In Qana, a building collapsed and Hezbollah is claiming that the majority killed were children. Those numbers have not been confirmed and I am loathe to take the terrorists’ word for it. Nevertheless, the media greedily gobbles up the drama - because “if it bleeds, it leads.” To that end, the media is displaying one heartbreaking photo after another of rescue workers carrying dead children in front of cameras. It is eerily familiar to Americans as the poses are very close replicas of the real life photos of the Oklahoma City bombing victims.

    There’s only one problem - the photos are staged. The bodies of a few children were recycled for photo ops over a several hour period.

    See for yourself.

    This barbaric PR machine is constantly churning out propaganda against Israel and against our own soldiers - as we’ve seen by the plethora of false accusations barraging our troops now. The Islamists go to such lengths to get their photo op - nothing is too gruesome for them. Westerners, shocked by the images themselves, rarely put all the details together to know when they are being scammed.

    Not any longer. Bloggers are now doing the investigative work that no one can trust the MSM to do. Innate skepticism, left over from past hoaxes, has earned every photo and video clip a second look. And second looks turn up the strangest discrepancies, improbabilities, and outright lies.

    Here’s more analysis to look at.

    I don’t know about you guys, but my bullshit sensor is going crazy.

    I’ll summarize a few of the discrepancies for your convenience (some excerpted from IsraelInsider, EU Referendum, and Confederate Yankee) but you’ll need to look at all the photo evidence in the links above yourself:

    1. As recently as two days ago, Israeli intelligence reported the building area had been used by the terrorists for storage and firing of weapons. Not exactly a good place to stash dozens of “women and children”.

    2. The news media is reporting that the neighbors said that the building was a “children’s home” run by two families and chosen for its proximity to the local mosque.

    According to one of the neighbors, the house that was bombed was a children’s shelter. The residents who agreed to speak said that there were two families who funded the shelter because of its proximity to the mosque.

    Yet NPR reports that the buildings owners had left the city, and no one knows who was inside.

    National Public Radio’s correspondent reported that residents of that building had left and the victims were non-residents who chose to shelter in the building that night. They were “too poor” to leave the town, one resident told CNN’s Wedeman. Who were these people?

    And a third “resident report” claims that the house was a humble tobacco farmer’s abode.

    Oops- somebody (casting?) forgot to coordinate the script with the locals! Who hired these amateurs anyway?

    Bonus points for the jab at the emotional hot button of poverty, by the way. My goodness, two feet must be expensive these days - “too poor” to walk out of a war zone, eh?

    3. On the morning of July 30, according to the IDF, the air force came in three waves. In the first, between midnight and one in the morning, there was a strike at or near the building that eventually collapsed. Brent Sadler of CNN reports that the Israeli ordnance did not even hit the building but landed “20 or 30 meters” from the structure.

    4. As I previously reported, there is a curious time gap between the supposed Israeli air strike, and the actual collapse of the building - almost eight hours. If the building had actually been struck around midnight, as reported, then why on earth would the inhabitants of the building stay there?! Are we supposed to believe that they just went back to sleep and were unlucky enough to be crushed eight hours later when the building finally collapsed?!

    5. This photo in the NY Times shows the “collapsed” building with an intact ceiling, that had apparently NOT caved in on the bodies that were supposedly crushed by rubble. Oops - someone forgot to do some creative cropping!

    6. Journalist Ben Wedeman of CNN noted that there was a larger crater next to the building, but observed that the building appeared not to have collapsed as a result of the Israeli strike.

    7. While Hezbollah and its apologists have been claiming that civilians could not freely flee the scene due to Israeli destruction of bridges and roads, or because they were “too poor” to walk out of town, the journalists and rescue teams from nearby Tyre had no problem getting there.

    8. Refrigerated trucks that had held approximately 32 bodies made their way to Qana from Tyre. Iraqi Frozen Baby Remix, perhaps?

    9. Lebanese rescue teams did not start evacuating the building until the morning and only after the camera crews came. The absence of a real rescue effort was explained by saying that equipment was lacking. (Like hands, I presume?) There were no scenes of live or injured people being extracted.

    10. Bodies crushed by rubble? The media photos show numerous bodies that are remarkably clean, right after their “removal” from the rubble. Nor are there any injuries consistent with being “crushed” by rubble or being “exploded” by ordnance. No blood, no burns, but strangely clean.

    There was little blood, CNN’s Wedeman noted: all the victims, he concluded, appeared to have died while as they were sleeping — sleeping, apparently, through thunderous Israeli air attacks. Rescue workers equipped with cameras were removing the bodies from the same opening in the collapsed structure. Journalists were not allowed near the collapsed building.

    11. None of the “rescue workers” (Pallywood extras?) showed any visible signs of digging through dust and rubble to retreive bodies. In all photos, they too are remarkably clean. Oops - someone better get on make-up and wardrobe for that little oversight!

    12. The dead baby “handler” was photographed over several hours displaying the same dead baby again and again, with varying expressions of sorrow - or not. He is remakably proficient at hoisting the dead body up to various cameras - as indicated by his penchant for doing so dozens of times. Early in the day, he’s handling the baby bare-handed and several hours later, he’s handling the same dead baby with gloves. I don’t think the dead body was holding up to well in the heat. The Dead Baby Handler is also photographed carrying a dead young girl to an ambulance, while a different worker is later photographed carrying the same dead girl to a gurney. They’re passing dead bodies around like hot potatos!

    13. The Dead Baby handler is a frequent Hezbollah spokesmodel - seen in photographs with other dead children as far back as 1996! This guy gets around! Why doesn’t casting get some new talent?! (H/T: Allahpundit)

    14. The Yahoo image archives show early photos of the dead baby without a pacifier, and then later sporting a remarkably clean pacifier. It must’ve been added for effect.

    15. The bodies on display show severe rigor mortis, as in bodies that had already been dead for at least a day - not merely an hour or two. Others were ashen gray, as if they’d been dead for days. I dunno - how many dead bodies have I seen? Somebody call CSI.

    16. A rally protesting the innocent civilians killed in Qana featured a professionally produced poster decrying the “Qana massacre”. How did such a professional product get produced and ready for display within a few short hours? Speedy Printing Express in Bumblefuck, Lebanon?! I’d say the stage props crew get bonus points for this one!

    There’s enough death and tragedy in war without having to make things up. I think Hezbollah was trying a little too hard to replicate the success they had ten years ago in shutting down Israel’s Operation Grapes of Wrath. A hue and cry from the global community when an Israeli shell accidentally hit a civilian compound forced Prime Minister Peres to prematurely end the Israeli mission to shut down the terror bases in southern Lebanon. The world has a very short memory, and doubtless Hezbollah thought they’d try the trick again.

    On the bright side, Hezbollah must really be hurtin’ to try such a slick scam. I’m thinking they’re up against the ropes and having to pull out all the stops. I wonder how successful they’ll be this time around?

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 11:56 PM  

  • The giveaway is that no matter how much you bomb, how many artillery rounds you fire, you never hit a Hezbollah terrorist.

    I sometimes suspect that if you used tactical nuclear weapons only "women and children" would be affected and Hezbollah "fighters" would emerge unscathed...............hiding behind women's skirts doesn't offer complete protection

    By Blogger Voyager, at 1:21 AM  

  • Dear Mr. Counting Hits

    I assume that's your first nations name. You're here. Right? Responding? Right? That's the way it works? Right?

    Or is that wrong?

    I don't know what type I am. Not sure I qualify as "sensitive". But this notion that my simple "go back to Israel, you baby killing prick..." constitutes rage and bile. Bile maybe.

    You sound a little testy though. I'm not surprised. This, I think, is the guilt mechanism sort of kicking in.

    My guess is that most Israeli folk, at least those who are not sociopaths, have some serious mixed feelings about what is unfolding right now.

    Certainly any life form more evolved than an ape (and here I'm not trying to insult your relatives)would concede that the death of women and children does not look good on the military planners who are marshalling this war.

    Hey, thanks for the wish for a nice life. I'll do what I can. Thanks for coming by

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 4:10 AM  

  • Can someone get rid of the troll ?

    He seems to be having a vicious swipe at anybody in favor of peace and security.

    By Blogger Jono, at 5:51 AM  

  • Eugene,
    I respect your commitment non-censored comments. But my gosh, there is a limit to what I can take. I know that it allows us all to see openly what kind of antisemitism is lurking under the surface. For facilitating that, you are to be applauded. But please do your best to not allow the hateful comments to permeate your soul. Try to let them strengthen you, but not make you callous. It's a difficult tightrope to walk, and it gets harder over time. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

    By Blogger Yaakova, at 6:10 AM  

  • johnny maudlin
    why don't you crawl back into that hole you slithered out of...maybe while you are back down there, check out what worldpeace 613 posted...oh wait, people (I used that word liberally) like you have no interest in the truth..you haven't made one decent point of argument, all you do is spew invective bs...get lost!

    By Blogger 54 chevy, at 7:21 AM  

  • bravo, worldpeace 613
    can i post yout findings on my blog?with full credit of course to you. let us spread this ewaserch out

    By Blogger al, at 7:35 AM  

  • Troll? A troll is what? Somewhat with a take that is different than the one that enjoys majority support on the blog?

    Anti Semite? Is what? Someone who is critical of Israel? I am both. So what? Points, some bullet headed baby killer suggested, I should make some points.

    There is no need for points here. There are many pointy headed right wingers hard from the smell of blood here already.

    Here is a point though, for you terribly thin skinned cyberpussies: everytime Israel drops a bomb that snuffs women and children, do you think Israel's chances for long security are increased, or decreased?

    You are what Bob Dylan referred to as Idiot Winds. It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

    Of course Israel's approach to this situation is guaranteed to spawn hundreds of new jihadis. Only a right wing moron would not concede this.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 7:44 AM  

  • You'll have to excuse Mr. Maudlin.
    He has been raised on a steady diet of cheap and easy anti-Americanism. It is the Canadian solution to a severe identity crisis. At one time it was enough to just state that they were not like Americans, more recently they've convinced themselves that they are in fact better than Americans. Now that the Stanley Cup is no longer within reach, that only leaves 'peacekeeping' as a source of positive national identity.

    Compounding this dilemma is the fact that Mr. Maudlin is a west coaster. As a former central Canadian now living in San Francisco, I've come to know this type all too well. You don't need me to tell you what a superficial and morally rudderless combination this is.

    Middle Easterners supposedly hate Americans because of their support for Israel. I am sensing this works the other way also: Israelis must be evil warmongers like their American benefactors.

    The truly sad thing is Mr. Maudlin has had 50 odd years to develop the intellectual depth and humanity he displays so forcibly on his sleeve.

    Furthermore, Mr. Maudlin doesn't seem to grasp the point and the nature of the outrage Eugene was expressing.

    I am ashamed to admit that I too once saw pictures of the proverbial Palestinian child facing a tank with a rock in hand and wondered how Israel could create the conditions for such an image to come about in light of their own tragic history.

    It didn't take too much research to see how wrong I was and that the real crime was sending your children into the streets in the first place.

    You might grant Mr. Maudlin some further leeway; he is probably still in denial about the recent political victory of, the evil twin of Bush, Mr. Harper and in shock about the possibility of a world without Fidel.

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 9:07 AM  

  • worldpeace613,
    did you even bother reading my post or did you just copy-paste yours ?

    By Blogger Jean, at 12:23 PM  

  • more "antisemetism" for your enjoyment.

    click

    By Blogger qzx, at 2:03 PM  

  • johnny maudlin said ... "You are what Bob Dylan referred to as Idiot Winds."

    Out of all your mouthy postings here (with insults and namecalling), the only reference you use to back up anything is Bob Dylan???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That's priceless.

    worldpeace613, personally I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you for posting it.

    By Blogger support4israel, at 3:57 PM  

  • there are many things i could say but 'johnny maudlin(stupid name btw)t any point on this page have you even considered not showing what an idiot you are come on spouting the words "right wing",'bullet heads","baby killers"

    and bob dylan!!!!!!!!!! are you retarded you shout IM A LEFT WING CONSPIRITORIAL HIPPY STUCK IN THE 60S AND NEED A NEW FIX NOW SHUT UP AT LEAST TRY TO BE CIVIL LIKE QZX.........omg did i just say that
    he atleast trys to make a point its called debat not yelling retard


    my entire family is full of teachers and nurses and reporters.all liberals as people keep shouting to be called and i have never seen a more anti rights im pro rights people in my life......no one carred in my schools (i live in the bibble belt as its called)if you prayed or not it just didnt matter.then a freakin atheist a atheist make a big deal and oops no praying....and no one down here even listined so shut up or act civil thats all the rights wing bullet heads here ask..


    and stop makeing fun of people with heads shapped like a bullet its not there fault it happens at birth i know a lot so stop being a bigot


    now eugene please forgive the rant and the stopid hippy have a great vacation and enjoy your break

    ps im a christian but not the bibble thumping kind just be good to each other is my motto

    By Blogger james, at 4:45 PM  

  • this argument is to entertain those who keep saying the media is being anti semitic.

    i don't see why everyone's so touchy about the media being biased. Since both the israelis and arabs are complaining that it's biased, it must mean that some are biased one way and other the other way.

    ideally, you'd want them all to be "unbiased", however one might define that. but this is the next best thing. you could say that the average bais is pretty close to being unbiased :-D

    after watching that documentary i've been talking about, it's obvious that the US media has been horrible biased for isreal for a long time. if hizbolla has begun doing the same, then good for them!

    (and now i wait for accusations of terrorism/racism)

    By Blogger qzx, at 5:54 PM  

  • Now, Thorsagen has at least had the good manners to show the appropriate level of respect by calling me Mr. Maudlin. I appreciate that.

    It's ironic, don't you think, that a group of like minded cyber pussies claim outrage about the "anti semitism" that plagues the world, but have no trouble rounding up folks into groups like: liberal, west coaster, hippy, retard, and all the rest.

    This shows what happens when folks, like the majority of the posters here, lack a basic education. No greater example of that than the very sad demonstration of sub chimpanzee spelling of james.

    James, if your family really are teachers and nurses perhaps you could ask for a little after school help with the basic literacy issues.

    Perhaps you were hit too many times over the head with your bible. It's hard to say from here.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 6:46 PM  

  • "some bullet headed baby killer"

    A 53 year old Canadian intellectual claims the moral high ground by disparaging the views of a 17 year old Israeli who started a blog after being subjected to a barrage of missiles filled with ball bearing shrapnel from his shelter.

    (Just making sure we establish the true context and the fruits of your excellent "basic" education and life experience)

    "Mr. Maudlin", you are beneath contempt.

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 7:44 PM  

  • dude?.thats it your made because i didnt spell my name with a capital letter.dude your weak no i call you a retard because that last post was the only one that had a point besides.bad people bad. and well as for labeling

    "you bullet-headed baby killing warmonger"....1

    "My guess is that most Israeli folk, at least those who are not sociopaths"....2

    "Perhaps you were hit too many times over the head with your bible. It's hard to say from here."....3 ah i get it christian or jew means violent...thanks man i realy understand it now

    "right wingers"....4

    "right wing moron"....5

    "terribly thin skinned cyberpussies"....6

    now as for the one directly to me


    This shows what happens when folks, like the majority of the posters here, lack a basic education. No greater example of that than the very sad demonstration of sub chimpanzee spelling of james.

    James, if your family really are teachers and nurses perhaps you could ask for a little after school help with the basic literacy issues.

    Perhaps you were hit too many times over the head with your bible. It's hard to say from here.

    lesson one it is possible to be a normal person and not spell every word right,capitalize every t, and dot every i now an anal retentive prick very difficult to combat

    now if you would like to come to my house and personaly call me a ah what was it..ah yes a terribly thin skinned cyber puss*$$ who also is apparently a monkey(which rock by the way) simpliy come on down to tennessee..go to murfreesboro and blog on this page ill tell you where to meet and ill beat you bloody!!



    now no more cussing no more yelling bullet head and more talking about the issue...this war radical islam...and god help me palastinians

    now unless you have a statment about the above..KEEP QUIET!!!!!!!

    thank you mr maudlin

    By Blogger james, at 7:49 PM  

  • This is getting. most enjoyable. I have a personal invitation to go to Tennesee for bloody beating, and I have been relieved to learn that the cyberpussy from Crackerland, while he can't spell, can count.

    And Thor has found me beneath contempt. Is that like being under the weather?

    Bible Bob would like us to restrict our discussion to the conflict in the Middle East. Fine. I asked this question before, but perhaps if I ask it again in Tennessian it will penetrate the thicker skulls here:

    Is the Israeli military approach, including the bombing that has produced collateral damage going to

    A)increase Israel's long term security or

    B) decrease Israel's long term security

    Now James, for you: A is the letter before B and B is the letter after A. Increase means more and decrease means less. Have a go.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 8:05 PM  

  • i think i'll go with..... G :-D

    but seriously, that's what i've been saying. just like the jewish, armenian, and other genocides, it is impossible to kill off an entire group of people, even if it were possible to morally justify it.

    and that's what makes this war on lebanon obviously NOT an attempt to "bring peace". it could be a land grab, stupidity, or maybe the need to keep things FROM stabilizing.

    one personal theory is that as long as there's violence, no one will have time to talk about giving the palestinians their land, or closing the settlements. but that's just a theory.

    ignoring the roots of the problem and just bullying people into "peace" doesn't work.

    By Blogger qzx, at 8:49 PM  

  • Al,

    Of course you can post this. I found it on Rabbi Lazer Brody's website under the article called, Needless Apologies. It is in the 2nd story. The link is embeded in the article.

    lazerbrody.typepad.com

    Or go to Euphoricreality.com and find it. It was written on 7/31.

    Johnny Mauldin is an anti-semite so don't waste your time with him. Here's a quote from his blog:

    I can relate to Mel Gibson. I don't have his money. Or his square jawed good looks. But I, too, have said, "F**king Jews!"(my editing) So sue me. Never talk to me again. Don't do business with me. Censure me. Crucify me! Jews are good at that.
    Hey, come on, just a little joke at the expense of the Jews.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 8:52 PM  

  • ah see thats what im talkin about see palastinians...er what what was this blog about?

    lol just kiddin...me qzx i think this war is about one thing hate and until some let go of it and some accept that its there for no reason there wont be peace

    also think johnny maudlin should what the passion south park episode....plus admit hes gay...his rugged good looks..its ok man we accept ppl here in america let it out

    sorry sorry ill stop anyways has any one heard how many of the new longed range missiles hezbollah has

    By Blogger james, at 9:41 PM  

  • James

    OK, OK, I'll come out, right here in the bunker. I'm gay. Can I still come down to Tenessee and have you beat me bloody?

    Look, dude, sorry about the crack making fun of your spelling. I don't really give a shit about your spelling. My spelling isn't that good.

    Neither is my reading, truth be told. I just like to look at the pictures.

    What I do care about is the superficial insights offered here (and like minded blogs) that repeat a party line without understanding the first god damn thing about what the material is they are writing about.

    And by the way, where is the 16 year old Israeli kid? Did he actually take me seriously and fuck off back to Israel?

    Listen, James, do some reading for Christ's sake. How many longer range missiles do Hezbollah have? Why take anybody's word for it?

    They have 5. OK? Satisfied?

    They have some. Nobody knows for sure, even if they say they do. The Israeli intelligence service people don't know, or they would have taken them out.

    They have some, and we may find out in the next few days, if and when they lob some into Israel and south of Haifa.

    In the meantime, one of their missiles hit a guy on his bike, for God's sake! Killed him. This oughta show you how much control Hezbollah have over those missiles. I wonder whose sister this guy dissed that they would actually aim a rocket right at him, a moving target no less?

    The point? While Hezbollah lobs Roman Candles into the north of Israel (and yes, they are packed with ball bearing to do max harm to humans) Israel drops 500 pound bombs onto Lebanon and destroys major parts of the country.

    The death toll? About 500 to 50. And it's always this way. The point? Something is not working well, and those who say they are interested in peace are talking through their fucking underwear if they maintain the pathway to peace is Israeli military domination of the region.

    It wasn't in the past, it isn't now and it won't be in the future. If you REALLY care about this material, then watch the link provided for the film about the occupation of the West Bank.

    If not, then you are just parroting a party line. Folks who profess "conservative" or "right of centre" points of view are really just too god damn lazy to admit their is no unilateral solutions to the world's major problems. Partisan politics have absolutely zero role to play.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 10:24 PM  

  • To Jean who wrote:
    "I would really, really, like to see anyone trying to flee an area with your 10-15 children, and wife, on roads that have been bombarded from all sides, bridges destroyed, with fighter jets roaring above your head, and Hizbullah fighters trying to prevent you from leaving."

    Well, the most important part of this sentense is the last one. It is very difficult to leave when a man with a gun says you don't.
    As for the rest. My grandmother left her city one step before Nazis. She had 5 min notice (which means that she basically left as she was: no clothes, no valuables), no money, and 3 kids on her hands: kids being 2 months old, 3 and 7 years. They left by train, which was bombed to pieces 2 hours outside the city. After the bombing German planes were flying over people trying to escape killing as many as possible with machine guns. My grandmother managed to escape on foot with all 3 children. That was just the first bombing on their journey to safety. And it was quite typical. Believe me, I know all about being very-very poor. But this is not why I feel sorry for these people, the Lebanese caught in the war. I feel sorry for them, because their own country has given them and their children to the terrorists as propaganda meat.

    By Blogger margot, at 11:10 PM  

  • As Mr. Maudlin attempts to be civil, offers cryptic apologies, abandons the sophistry of his earlier post, I find it very difficult to understand his point.

    I won't waste my time on his disproportionate force canard and the unbelievable moral relativism contained therein. Learned people like Mr. Maudlin only see effect, not cause or intent and we are too dense to not be swayed by the body count.

    the desire for "Israeli military domination of the region" and it's unilateral exercise of that force is the apparent primary impediment to peace in the Middle East.

    And he accuses us of simplicity?

    We can take him at his word, I guess, that he desires peace and perhaps even consider that his self-righteous fury is fanned by us because we just don't understand how right he is and wrong we are.

    But let's just concentrate on one singular statement:

    he wants us to "admit their is no unilateral solutions to the world's major problems".

    Geez, Maudlin even if I were to admit that there are no unilateral solutions to the problems of the world, I'd certainly refrain from mocking other people's spelling, typos and grammatical slips.

    The problem is that nowhere in your eloquent tirade do you offer a plausible multilateral solution.

    In fact, I quite agree with you. I think there should have been an American combat group or three coming from Syria. That, of course, is purely my opinion.

    (oh I know, bilateral solutions could never work either)

    I think France shouldn't unilateraly be trying to undermine the consensus of the rest of the EU with it's cynical attempts at diplomacy.

    I am almost certain that the Israelis will be forced to seriously reconsider their unilateral withdrawal from Gaza.

    Do we categorize Iran's defiance of the world's opinion on nuclear proliferation as harmful unilaterlism or toothless multilaterism?

    And I'm sure the harmless, "just a joke on the jews" as you call it, rhetoric emanating from the president/figurehead of Iran is not shared by anyone else in the Arab world.

    Then there is always the wonderful multi-lateral 'solution' endorsed by the world during the second world war. I recall quite a few countries going along with that plan or turning away the refugees.

    You don't even understand the terrain of the battlefield you have chosen to impart your wisdom on. Eugene, no less a guest in your country, doesn't have regular internet access and as such has not decided "to fuck off". Don't flatter yourself, Maudlin. You don't possess the rapier wit or balls to frighten anyone off.

    (big tough worldly Canadian frightens off young Israeli..)

    I did read a Lennon give peace a chance refrain on your website. Is that peace achieved with an acoustic guitar or do you need more than a soloist?


    I look forward to a contingent of Canadian peace keepers in southern Lebanon in the near future.

    Come back and let us know how that works out.

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 11:48 PM  

  • "where is the 16 year old Israeli kid? Did he actually take me seriously and fuck off back to Israel?" - 17. And since I'm not at home I can't always respond right away.

    The profanity does nothing but annoy people, I don't mind it too much but there is no place for it here. If you want to keep on posting stop that.

    As for the movie, it's long and I'll be sure to watch it as soon as I can. I've watched the very start and well, we already pulled out of there.

    "after watching that documentary i've been talking about, it's obvious that the US media has been horrible biased for isreal for a long time. if hizbolla has begun doing the same, then good for them!' - QZX, are you insane?

    They sacrificed those people, read the quote on this post. Their plan is well known and very obvious, how can you be in favor of that is beyond me.

    Johnny Maudlin, I'm sorry, Mr. Johnny Maudlin. The only point I've seen you make so far is "excessive force" and whether it's effective. It's a valid point, I'm thinking yes (not because I somehow want to harm Arabs or Lebanese as much as possible, I don't, I really honestly don't), and here is why:

    For the past 6 days the rockets stopped falling in Haifa, this is the second or third day without sirens there from what I hear. It's very different from how was before I left, we used to have 10 sirens a day.

    The truth is that Hezbollah have been pushed back, the truth is that their long range rockets have been hurt, they have less then half now and it is in fact known. A large number of launchers have been destroyed, and on the ground they have been pushed back behind the Litani river.

    The result I described above, the line of fighting moved to the border. And it will be moved further still until all of us are out of reach.

    The Hezbollah didn't expect us to react like we did, they hoped that by hiding behind civillians they could get away with it. Well they didn't, and they didn't because we cannot live with them anymore and frankly neither can the Lebanese.

    Do a search for Brigitte Gabriel (former Lebanese), and find out who have been killing none Muslim Lebanese for the past 30 years, and in what way.

    This is a complicated problem, to which I have not seen you offer an alternative solution yet. (other then screaming at me that we should just take it, I'm sure you'd like that) There is quite a lot more to it then what you seem to think there is.

    I'll be happy for you to keep posting here, but remember, no profanity or your out of here.

    By Blogger Live from an Israeli bunker, at 12:21 AM  

  • Hizbullaah don't care two shits for the Lebanese people. They are fodder in a war of politics and billions daily in Iranian oil profits.

    By Blogger MBD, at 1:10 AM  

  • LIVE FROM AN ARCHIE BUNKER

    Thor, dude? Do you smoke a pipe? Wear a silk jacket? Have your dog, or wife, or both fetch your slippers? You have this uncanny knack for saying nothing and taking a long time to do it.

    You spent an entire comment section (and these things are not cheap I'll have you know) making notes or repeating things I've written and then saying they are not to be taken seriously.

    You (like I) use more syllables than necessary, but some of your words are pretty. Like sophistry. I like that word.

    Israeli Bunker Man

    Glad to hear from you. I gotta go to work. Pissing people off online is only what I do for recreation. Gotta earn a living. I'll be back. Bet you can hardly wait.

    And Thor: say something, for God's sake. Give me an example of one of the world's major and ongoing violence problems that has been solved unilaterally. Go on. Try it.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 1:37 AM  

  • margot, thanks for drawing the comparison between israel and the nazis.

    you rock! :-D

    By Blogger qzx, at 2:58 AM  

  • 1) eugene, i never said hizbolla CAUSED they're deaths. i just said that if they're over-advertising their deaths (by israel)...

    you do realize israeli officials tried to blame hizbolla for the bominb of the 4 UN people at first right? i saw that on CNN the first day it happened. this shows two points: a) the israeli govt lies (too) b) their opinion about qana should at least be taken with a grain of salt.

    2) it ain't withdrawal from palestinian territories when there are still settlements (or jewish neighborhoods as some like to call them) and checkpoints preventing people from moving around INSIDE their own country, among other things.

    By Blogger qzx, at 3:19 AM  

  • sorry for the typos :-)

    By Blogger qzx, at 3:20 AM  

  • oh! they also went back on their 48 hour cease fire. could it be the investigation they were "allowing" wasn't going they way they wanted it to?

    By Blogger qzx, at 3:23 AM  

  • single, unilateral if you like, bullet: Samir Kuntar

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 4:05 AM  

  • "Pissing people off online is only what I do for recreation." - I can see that. Just recreate elsewhere if that's *all* you can do here. Thanks.

    "i just said that if they're over-advertising their deaths (by israel)..." - Having dead bodies of children carried around for hours at a time is disgusting. Is there something wrong with your head?

    "you do realize israeli officials tried to blame hizbolla for the bominb of the 4 UN people at first right?" - So? One of the people who died there wrote in an email a few days prior that Hezbollah was basically hiding next to them using them for cover. It's well known anyway, but he's probably the only source you will believe (which is fine I suppose).

    "2) it ain't withdrawal from palestinian territories when there are still settlements (or jewish neighborhoods as some like to call them) and checkpoints preventing people from moving around INSIDE their own country, among other things." - It very much is something, it's terribly easy for you to say that a million miles away. And we did that with the promise that terror would stop, did it? No. I'm sure once the settlements and checkpoints are gone as well you'll still find something to complain about.

    By Blogger Live from an Israeli bunker, at 8:21 AM  

  • Listen, James, do some reading for Christ's sake. How many longer range missiles do Hezbollah have? Why take anybody's word for it?

    They have 5. OK? Satisfied?


    Hezbollah is nothing more than the Iranian Foreign Legion. It could not survive without the $200 million subsidy, and frankly it is Iran that needs its toes trodden on.

    If the Dutch were so stupid as to supply blueprints of centrifuges to A Q Khan from Urenco we now have to live with his proliferation to North Korea, Iran, Pakistan etc.

    The greatest act of nuclear proliferation ever took place because of the Dutch at Urenco violating security. Now we face Iranian madmen wanting the 13th Imam to arrive testing out rockets which they tell us are for delivering electricity rather than warheads.

    Fine. So we should start building more nuclear submarines, more MIRVs and start to think of preventive strikes against Iran.

    Nowhere else on earrth - wrong - North Korea -do we get loons firing rockets at other countries - it is just that North Korea points them at Japan.

    This is tiresome - we lived in Europe with the Soviets pointing SS20, SS22, SS23 rockets at us promising a localised nuclear war if they ever get anxious.

    Being mobile platforms meant that the whole of Central Europe would face obliteration in retaliation because their platforms could not be located.

    That was so the Soviets could by-pass the NATO tank armies in the Fulda Gap.........but the Soviets merely had Pershing II scattered in Europe and more MIRVs.

    If Iran wants to step up to the plate it may find Indian, Russian, British, French, US rockets pointing in its direction. After all Jacques Chirac did threaten nuclear retailiation on any state sponsoring terrorists who threatened France.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 1:50 PM  

  • in reply to: "Having dead bodies of children carried around for hours at a time is disgusting."

    not as disgusting as this


    "...a few days prior that Hezbollah was basically hiding next to them using them for cover..."

    yes, the natural thing to do in this case (and after about a dozen warnings that they're shooting too close) is to DIRECTLY bomb the bunker where the UN people are hiding... TWICE!

    "...And we did that with the promise that terror would stop..."

    no you didn't.

    you know, all this finger pointing and blaming is really fun and all. what we should really be doing is finding a solution that would satisfy everyone NOW.

    By Blogger qzx, at 5:54 PM  

  • "you know, all this finger pointing and blaming is really fun and all. what we should really be doing is finding a solution that would satisfy everyone NOW." - That's something at least.

    Well understand that Hezbollah can not continue to exsist as a terror organization. IDF says that it needs about a month more to finish them, so a month more it is. (It's probably a lot less, I'm thinking two and a half weeks or less)

    After that we need to get our soldiers back, give some back to them. (I'd just hate seeing 2000 being released for two)

    That's about it really. I already talked about "The Shebba Farms".

    As for an armed force to guard the border, it has to be an active armed force that can actually shoot.

    If you have some other suggestion that I'm missing go for it, I'd be glad to hear it.

    By Blogger Live from an Israeli bunker, at 6:10 PM  

  • As for an armed force to guard the border, it has to be an active armed force that can actually shoot.

    You won't get one - Darfur didn't get one - look at Korea and see who provided that one.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 7:01 PM  

  • Good morning Bunker

    Well, I may as well just wade into it. Not a great morning to be an arsehole, but I am constitutionally unable to avoid it much of the time/

    Mel Gibson and I just need a little healing.

    This morning it's reported that as many as six humans have been killed, by rockets, in the north of Israel, and another Canadian soldier is dead in Afghanistan.

    The Israeli Bunker Kid (our host) asks: how do we make it stop now? I am paraphrasing. The answer to his question is: we don't.

    David Ben Gurion said, in 1913 (like he had a crystal ball) there is no solution for the conflict between the Jews and the Arabs in the land called Palestine and Israel.

    Reduced to it's most simple formulation, Ben Gurion said both peoples want the land, think it belongs to them. Full stop.

    For what it's worth, this is where I am coming from-

    If the conflict is not resolvable then it needs to be managed. This current flare up will likely end with Israel pushing back Hezbollah, who when they have used a good percentage of their missile inventory will melt back into the population, the same way Saddam's "deadenders" did in Iraq, and an insurgency will begin.

    There will be civil strife, obviously, if the Lebanese government tries to disarm Hezbollah.

    In the meantime, look for Israel to abandon the West Bank. All of it. No settlements. Then and only then will the world be prepared to stop criticizing Israel when it is attacked by it's enemies.

    And I must apologize to Thor, the Thundergod, because he actually wrote lots about uni and multi and tri lateralism. I just got lazy and didn't read all of his post.

    By Blogger johnny maudlin, at 7:39 PM  

  • There will be civil strife, obviously, if the Lebanese government tries to disarm Hezbollah.

    Far easier to let Hezbollah run Lebanon as an Iranian satrapy.........then the Druze and the Christians can disarm Hezbollah and that will make Lebanon an exciting place for the next decade or so.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:38 PM  

  • To qzx:

    Sorry to dissapoint you. Last thing I wanted to do is to compare the two. I approve of Israely actions with all my heart.

    I just wanted to point out that being poor does not stop people from leaving a dangerous area, people with guns do. Every time I hear that Lebanese civilians cannot leave the area because they have no money for gas, I think just how ridiculous this sounds.

    By Blogger margot, at 11:26 PM  

  • i think 6 million jews would disagree with you.

    By Blogger qzx, at 1:31 AM  

  • Eugene,

    Great idea. I'd suggest one minor change though. Instead of bombing the entire country, how about agree to a cease fire and seeing if the lebanese govt can stick to its word. with a little diplomacy, everything you wanted (disarm hizbolla, get back soldiers) might be achievable.

    hizbolla's had years to set itself up in the south. a week or so of cease fire isn't going to allow them to build all that back up. if the lebanese fail to meet their end of the deal....

    and if the lebanese govt DID keep their end of the deal, we'd have the same outcome, minus the almost 1000 dead people, and almost 1,000,000 homeless.

    but when did israel ever try to reasonable negotiate? it's always been "do what we want now, while we're beating the crap out of you. then if you do what we want, we'll think about stopping."

    with the current actions taken by israel, i don't even know if what you're hoping for will be possible.

    click.

    By Blogger qzx, at 1:52 AM  

  • An email from my Russian Jewish friend:

    SHITTY LITTLE COUNTRY

    The Middle East has been growing date palms for
    centuries. The average tree is about 18-20 feet tall
    and yields about 38 pounds of dates a year.

    Israeli date trees are now yielding 400 pounds/year
    and are short enough to be harvested from the ground
    or a short ladder.

    Israel the 100th smallest country, with less than
    1/1000th of the world's population, can lay claim to
    the following :

    The cell phone was developed in Israel by Israelis
    working in the Israeli branch of Motorola, which has
    its largest development center in Israel .

    Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were
    developed by Microsoft-Israel.

    The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel
    at Intel .

    Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino
    processor were entirely designed, developed and
    produced in Israel.

    The Pentium microprocessor in your computer was most
    likely made in Israel.

    Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.

    Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D
    facilities outside the US in Israel.

    The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was
    developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.

    Israel has the fourth largest air force in the world
    (after the U.S, Russia and China). In addition to a
    large variety of other aircraft, Israel's air force
    has an aerial arsenal of over 250 F-16's. This is the
    largest fleet of F-16 aircraft outside of the U. S.

    Israel's $100 billion economy is larger than all of
    its immediate neighbors combined.

    Israel has the highest percentage in the world of home
    computers per capita.

    According to industry officials, Israel designed the
    airline industry's most impenetrable flight security.
    US officials now look (finally) to Israel for advice
    on how to handle airborne security threats.

    Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to
    the population in the world.

    Israel produces more scientific papers per capita than
    any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000
    people --as well as one of the highest per capita
    rates of patents filed.

    In proportion to its population, Israel has the
    largest number of startup companies in the world. In
    absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of
    startup companies than any other country in the world,
    except the U.S. (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

    With more than 3,000 high-tech companies and startups,
    Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech
    companies in the world -- apart from the Silicon
    Valley, U.S.

    Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital
    funds right behind the U.S.

    Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the
    largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

    Israel has the highest average living standards in the
    Middle East.

    The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500,
    exceeding that of the UK.

    On a per capita basis, Israel has the largest number
    of biotech startups.

    Twenty-four per cent of Israel's workforce holds
    university degrees, ranking third in the
    industrialized world, after the United States and
    Holland and 12 per cent hold advanced degrees.

    Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle
    East.

    In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000
    Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in
    Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.

    When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel
    in 1969, she became the world's second elected female
    leader in modern times.

    When the U. S. Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya was bombed in
    1998, Israeli rescue teams were on the scene within a
    day -- and saved three victims from the rubble.

    Israel has the third highest rate of entrepreneurship
    -- and the highest rate among women and among people
    over 55 - in the world.

    Relative to its population, Israel is the largest
    immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come
    in search of democracy, religious freedom, and
    economic opportunity. (Hundreds of thousands from the
    former Soviet Union)

    Israel was the first nation in the world to adopt the
    Kimberly process, an international standard that
    certifies diamonds as "conflict free."

    Israel has the world's second highest per capita of
    new books.

    Israel is the only country in the world that entered
    the 21st century with a net gain in its number of
    trees, made more remarkable because this was achieved
    in an area considered mainly desert.

    Israel has more museums per capita than any other
    country.

    Medicine... Israeli scientists developed the first
    fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic
    instrumentation for breast cancer.

    An Israeli company developed a computerized system for
    ensuring proper administration of medications, thus
    removing human error from medical treatment. Every
    year in U. S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from
    treatment mistakes.

    Israel's Given Imaging developed the first ingestible
    video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to
    view the small intestine from the inside, cancer and
    digestive disorders .

    Researchers in Israel developed a new device that
    directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation
    with the potential to save lives among those with
    heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the
    camera helps doctors diagnose heart¹s mechanical
    operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.

    Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and
    technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as
    opposed to 85 in the U. S., over 70 in Japan, and less
    than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force
    employed in technical professions. Israel places first
    in this category as well.

    A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the Clear
    Light device,produces a high-intensity,
    ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that
    causes acne bacteria to self-destruct -- all without
    damaging
    surrounding skin or tissue.

    An Israeli company was the first to develop and
    install a large-scale solar-powered and fully
    functional electricity generating plant, in
    southern California's Mojave desert.

    All the above while engaged in regular wars with an
    implacable enemy that seeks its destruction, and an
    economy continuously under strain by having to spend
    more per capita on its own protection than any other
    country on earth.

    . .. . . AND THE FRENCH AMBASSADOR IN ENGLAND SAYS :

    "ISRAEL IS NOTHING BUT A SHITTY LITTLE COUNTRY"

    By Blogger FreeCyprus, at 3:06 AM  

  • Interesting list of facts.

    By Blogger MBD, at 7:06 AM  

  • how about agree to a cease fire and seeing if the lebanese govt can stick to its word. with a little diplomacy, everything you wanted (disarm hizbolla, get back soldiers) might be achievable

    How about rewinding to 2000 AD when UNIFIL observers saw Israel withdraw from Lebanon and Hezbollah fired mortars at them as they did ?.

    Where exactly was the Lebanese Army ? Or is Hezbollah the Lebanese Army or just the Iranian Foreign Legion ?

    What exactly is the purpose of the Lebanese Govt ? Does it ask Assad for permission to do anything ?

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:01 AM  

  • bravo. you just keeep pointing to the past. "but he did this, and he did that....".

    for every bad thing hizbolla's done to israel, i can guarantee you that i could find much worse done by israel to the lebanese people. it's that simple.

    if you weren't blinded by your own propaganda you'd know that.

    but i'm not going to bother. i'll mention a few hundred people killed, and then you'll mention 5 people killed as an equal tragedy.

    eh, no point in continuing.

    By Blogger qzx, at 10:04 AM  

  • from

    http://beirutnotes.blogspot.com/2006/08/go-to-heaven.html

    Go to Heaven!
    Supporters of Hezbollah in Lebanon today are confident of their victory. They have survived therefore they win. Israel killed hundreds of Lebanese and destroyed our infrastructure and still Hezbollah won. Hundred of thousands of refugees and Hezbollah supporters say that they are victorious.

    If this is victory, what is defeat?

    Maybe Hassan Nasrallah can explain to me what he meant when he said that if his fighters retreat it is not important because it is just a little bit of land and it is not precious enough to hold on to.

    What are the Shebaa Farms then? A little bit of unpopulated land?

    What are the 3 prisoners held in Israel compared to the hundreds of children that Israel killed?

    Get out of Lebanon Hassan and take your ideology of death and hate with you. Take your supporters and your complexes and go to your beloved Islamic Republic of Iran.

    Leave us, the people who actually believe in a country called Lebanon, alone. You are not part of us. Go live your Islamic battles somewhere else. Go to heaven and let us live in the pro-American hell in peace and prosperity like many other places in the Middle East and Asia.

    By Blogger FreeCyprus, at 7:25 PM  

  • To qzx:

    Hi I just wanted to pass this to you. It's another article on disproportionate reporting. I didn't want to put the entire article here. You can read the rest at arutzsheva.com I have told you several times that you need to stop reading BBC, CNN, and all the false left wing Hizbollah reports unless you ONLY want lies.

    Disproportionate Reporting, Selective Outrage
    by Jack Engelhard

    You'd hardly know that all of Israel is under siege and that entire cities like Haifa are near desolate. The networks would rather you stay tuned to their pictures from Lebanon. According to ABC TV, CNN and other "Friends of Hizbullah", never mind who started this, and forget the million and a half Israelis who've been made homeless.

    As usual, NPR Radio is serving as propaganda minister for terror and, also as usual, Israel is at war with the press.

    Or rather, the press is at war with Israel.

    Any mention of the 150 bombs that were falling on Israel from day to night? Hardly. What about the thousands of Israelis wounded in flesh and in spirit - meaning shell-shocked today and perhaps for the rest of their lives? No, there's no time for this. Forget Haifa's Rambam Hospital, where beds are filled to overflowing with wounded Israelis.

    CNN would also like the world to forget the Arab bombs that fell on Nahariya Hospital and wiped out the entire ophthalmology ward. No footage here, either, except for Israeli journalist David Bedein crying out for some proportionate coverage. The pictures from Lebanon are better, much better than pictures from Meron, Israel, where seven-year-old Omer Pesachov was murdered along with his grandmother as the result of Hizbullah missiles.

    Is Qana another hoax and blood libel, as were the Mohammad Al-Dura caper and the "massacre" in Jenin? We have reason to be suspicious. Perhaps we have been manipulated once again (and once too often) by a news media that uses crooked words and false pictures to further bloody the Jewish State.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 8:06 PM  

  • Qsx: Your apparent belief that Israelis are like Nazis suggests that you are not capable of rationally discussing anything other than your own bowel moments.

    I know Nazis, both male grandparents have prompted a great deal of reflection/research.

    I know a little about civilian casualities, one grandmother was killed by allied bombs.

    I consider "innocent" a meaningless term when by apathy, complicity or denial you allow your 'leaders' to start a war they can't handle.

    I find the argument that we are driving the Lebanese into the hands of Hezbollah absurd and even if it's true.. so what? Unconditional surrender worked wonders for thinning the ranks of the Nazi party after the war.

    Everyone but you seems to approach this situation with their ingrained perceptions and biases. Your answer to this? PROPAGANDA!!!!Even Mr. Maudlin's position has become clearer and at least somewhat more rational.

    (You have the Nazi comparison backwards. Since you are swayed by facile 'truths' find pictures of HZ parades and salutes. The problem with you NAZI comparison types is you haven't a clue what a Nazi was. If you just opened one relatively well researched book you would quickly learn how ridiculous you sound.

    (and that's before the archives begin to truly allow the true picture to be more completely revealed) What kind of nation documents it's genocide? One that believes in the sanctity of it's cause.. and people like you dare compare the Israeli's to nazis for applying standard* military tactics and fail to see the true root of the problem. This isn't about Lebensraum for the Palestines*.



    I am also convinced that conditional surrender/cease fire, especially on terms that mimic the war aims of Hezbollah, will only guarantee future death and greater destruction. But, that's just my opinion.

    It seems that you have yet to grasp that opinion is all you bandy about. Your comment that one combatent's propaganda cancels out the other to reveal the truth suggests you couldn't recognize truth if it was your middle name.

    However, I am pretty confident I'm on solid ground when I say you know shit.

    ~ rant off ~

    *(well, actually it is isn't it? a palestine state on jewish graves)

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 8:14 PM  

  • United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 (02 September 2004) called for the "disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias". The Government of Lebanon is responsible for the disbanding and disarming of the militias, including Hizballah, and preventing the flow of armaments and other military equipment to the militias, including Hizballah, from Syria, Iran, and other external sources. Lebanon basically rejected Resolution 1559, and by early 2005 this presented the risk of Israeli retaliation against vital Lebanese infrastructure to force action to disarm Hizballah


    In a written report to the Security Council 18 April 2006, Secretary-General Kofi Annan called on Syria and Iran to stop interfering in Lebanon. The report, which was written by the secretary-general's special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen, said that Hizballah, the Lebanese militant group, "maintains close ties, with frequent contacts and regular communication" with Syria and Iran.

    Resolution 1680 (2006), adopted by the Security Council on 17 May 2006, welcomed the decision of the Lebanese national dialogue to disarm Palestinian militias outside refugee camps within six months, supports its implementation and calls for further efforts to disband and disarm all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias and to restore fully the Lebanese Government's control over all Lebanese territory.

    On July 12, 2006 members of Hizballah infiltrated the Lebanese-Israeli border near Shtula, an Israeli farming village, and claimed responsibility for an ambush conducted on two Israeli Army Hummvees. The attack resulted in the capture of two Israeli soldiers and the deaths of three others. Five more Israeli soldiers were killed in the ensuing pursuit of Hizballah members into Lebanese territory. The combined capture of two soldiers and the deaths of 8 others; was considered the worst loss for Israeli military forces in more than four years The kidnapping of Israeli troops by Hizballah came in the wake of a similar incident less than a month before, on June 25th, 2006, when Palestinian militants forcibly captured an Israeli soldier to use as leverage for bargaining with the Israeli government. The last time Hizballah carried out a similar operation against Israel was in October of 2000, when 3 Israeli soldiers were abducted by the Lebanese militants. All three victims died either by execution or wounds sustained during their capture. Their bodies were returned to Israel in exchange for the release of several Arab prisoners.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:53 PM  

  • worldpeace: you're giving me "Israel National News" as unbiased information? smoothe one. just went through the headlines. Not a single mention of the 28 killed today in lebanon. the truth indeed.

    and do you even know how many bombs have fallen on lebanon? check it out some time, at least to pretend you're being unbiased.

    look, i'm sorry, but when on one side hundreds of people are dying, thousands homeless, hospitals are running out of supplies, and supplies are available but can't be delivered... i'm not going to be sympathetic to the far fewer casualties on the side that's causing all of the above. that's not bais, although i'm sure you're about to disagree. what does the world have to gain by being biased against israel anyways?

    thorsagen: bowel movements. yeah, i had a really nice one this morning. i'll save your message and quote you when they hand me my PhD. other than that, i have nothing to say. you're beyond hope.

    damn, that's a lie. i do have one thing to say. are you aware of the number of UN resolutions Israel is (and has been for ages) in violation of? check it out some time.

    By Blogger qzx, at 9:06 PM  

  • QZX,

    You asked, "What does the world have to gaing by being biased against Israel anyway?"

    I believe that the answer is very deep and esoteric. Anti-Semitism is built into creation. G-d gave the Jews the Torah. When the Jews turn away from the Torah and adapt the ways of the Gentile nations, anti-semitism rises. It is G-ds way of shaking us up to turn back to him and follow His ways. Anti-Semitism lies dormant when we do teshuva (repent) and turn to G-d.

    If ALL Jews were as fervent and G-d fearing as the Muslims are, I firmly believe that we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. Once again, our enemies are gaining strength because of baseless hatred towards one another, and turning our backs on G-d. We need to follow His ways.

    Shabbat Shalom to everyone

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 9:20 PM  

  • damn, that's a lie. i do have one thing to say. are you aware of the number of UN resolutions Israel is (and has been for ages) in violation of? check it out some time.


    Yes and when you learn how the UNO works you will know the difference between Mandatory UN Resolutions and the rest...........perhaps if you knew how the Security Council functions you would be less risible.


    Can you now tell me how many dead Hezbollah there are ? You can recognise them by their bright yellow uniforms. Their rockets are painted bright orange and have a flag on top with a big red flashing light

    By Blogger Voyager, at 9:33 PM  

  • bhcevk"quote you when they hand me my PhD"

    that was truly the funniest thing I've read in awhile.

    Admittedly, I don't have your level of book lernin.

    Sadly, I never ever even finished my MA History thesis, but I did peruse enough pre-phds on the shelf to still have faith in my belief that you are woefully unqualified when it comes to making any kind of valid historical comparison.

    These days, I wouldn't even be surprized if your PHD was actually about bowel movements.

    Care to share the topic of your research and where this magnificent PHD is about to be bestowed?

    I could really use another laugh, it is getting so serious in here.

    You must admit I'm right.. I am getting a PHD...... hahahaha.

    Like I said, I don't know if I'm right or wrong about most things..I'm always open to the possibility that I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about.

    You don't leave much room for doubt though.

    Israeli military tactics = Nazi military tactics


    Intentional targeting of Israel in the hopes of getting lucky and killing someone Jewish for no military purpose whatsoever versus a campaign (no matter how poorly or not it is executed) to stop this deliberate targeting of civilians and I'm "beyond hope" and you are the world's great moralist.

    Thanks for the compliment. If you are this generation's hope, I certainly wish to be as beyond that as possible.

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 9:56 PM  

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    By Blogger thorsagen, at 9:56 PM  

  • QSX:

    Let me make it simpler

    You cheer for your side and I'll cheer for mine. The truth lies in that doesn't it? My bias negates yours? Oh wait.. you are unbiased. Therefore, you must be correct.

    I bow down to you and submit to your superior logic. There is no hope for anyone that percieves things differently than you.

    (especially if they aren't a few chapters from getting a PHD)

    My stars, I just realized that you are even more dangerous than I originally thought: an anti-semite with a PHD. Hmm.. that sounds vaguely familiar.

    By Blogger thorsagen, at 10:20 PM  

  • worldpeace: i rest my case.

    but seriously... did you just say that god makes people around the word hate jews?

    voyager: i don't get it.

    thorsagen: you can believe whatever you want about my education. whatever makes you feel better about yourself, go ahead. but i'll give you this, history isn't one of my fields of interest.

    damn, wish i coud have seen the second post before it was deleted. oh well, that's life.

    and... yes, life would be so much easier if more people could realize my superior intelligence, as you have. oh wait, it was just a temporarly spasm of the brain. now we're back to the anti-semitism accusation.

    but seriously, i'm just throwing my best arguments, and seeing what other people throw back at me. what you believe, why you believe it, and how my beliefs should evolve.

    By Blogger qzx, at 12:50 AM  

  • qzx,

    Let's go back to the discussion of free will. You and I have the choice of whether to do good or evil. In Judaism it is called the yetzer tov and the yetzer hora. The good inclination and the evil inclination. All of us have both. Some of us need to fight the yetzer hora more than others. So a person can choose to be Anti-Semitic or not. G-d gives that person free will but in the end, He knows which way theperson will turn. The people who choose to do evil to the Jews and the Gentiles too, will be held accountable on Judgement Day. This world is only a corridor to the Eternal World To Come. By doing mitzvahs in this worldly life, it tips the scale towards gain in the World To Come. As I said to you in the past, Jews also believe that the Gentiles have a place in the World To Come if they follow the 7 Noahide Laws. There is no such thing as committing evil and then repenting with a simple confession to a priest or pastor in some booth. We must ask forgiveness directly to those we have done evil against and recieve their direct forgiveness in order to be forgiven by G-d.

    So in simplistic terms, terrorists and those who commit murder and so forth will not have a portion in the World To Come.

    I appreciate you candor and respect in our conversations.

    Shabbat Shalom

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 1:26 AM  

  • i definitely agree with you on the priest-pastor-confession thing. i've also heard several muslims say similar things.

    would this imply that israelis must ask forgiveness from the people they've wronged? such as the innocent lebanese and palestinian people who have lost family members, homes, etc?

    By Blogger qzx, at 2:14 AM  

  • qzx,

    For the past 6 years, Hezbollah has been building up it's arsenols in Lebanon. Israel knew this the entire time and did nothing about it even thought they and the Lebanese knew that the arsenol was specifically intended to be used on Israelis.

    The Lebonese simply has allowed Hezbollah to infiltrate into their country for many years. They could have done something about it but didn't. So if 'innocent' lives were lost as a result, you cannot blame Israel. They are defending themselves. It is always sad to see lives lost at a time of war but in this case, the Lebonese knew and could have done something about it. You need to put the blame on parents of innocent children for teaching them hatred and for turning their backs on Hezbollah for remaining in their country. You also need to blame Hezbollah for not allowing them to flee after numerous warnings and using them as human sheilds.

    Don't think for a minute that Nasrallah would be walking this earth right now if Irael wasn't so humane. As I mentioned in the post above, the Israelis value life so much and the Hezbollah are capitalizing on this. This is why warnings/leaflets are always dropped in advance and ample time is given for them to leave.

    Jean, if you are reading this, I disagree with your comments because of the 2 reasons I stated on Hezbollah holding these people hostage and the people of Lebanon allowing this to continue.

    The Palestinians are a bit different. As Golda Meir said, "We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us".

    In otherwords, the parents train their children to be suicide bombers and kill Jews. This is their goal in life. Israel has a zero tolerance policy. If a Palestinian comes after Israel, their homes will be blown up. THis is known in advance. It seems like a no-brainer--just don't commit acts of terror in Israel or on Israelis and nothing will happen to you.

    That's it for me, I am shomer shabbos so I won't be on until after my sabbath.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 2:45 AM  

  • Hezbollah leaders have absolutely no problem using children as human shields and waiting to bring the press in for publicity photos. The Islamo-fascists are the NAZI's of our times....only this time America will join together with our Israeli allies to fight this scourge together. Support is strong for Israel in the midwest.

    By Blogger shimmer99, at 4:01 AM  

  • worldpeace, i can't say i agree with you. i've already stated why several time. counter-arguening your last statement would just be redundant.

    enjoy your sabbath, and may peace and reason prevail.

    By Blogger qzx, at 10:06 AM  

  • How's Canada? Hope you're enjoying yourself. IDF making progress in Lebanon but many rockets still hitting Israel. Nasrallah has threatened a missile strike on Tel Aviv if raids on Beirut continue. Assessment from some commentators is that striking Tel Aviv may be sign of desparation as he has also offered a truce. IAF have bombed Beirut again but no strike on Tel Aviv so far. Tyre also raided by Israeli Special Forces. Seems like a hard fight ahead but many now agree that a push to the Litani will succeed.

    By Blogger Joseph of Arimathea, at 2:14 PM  

  • I think that what you have written is very good, and sadly very true.
    What worries me is that the major news stations (CNN, BBC, REUTERS, AP) show the exact opposite point of view of what you wrote, and sadly they affect public opinion based on the distortions made by hezbollah, hammas etc., that you describe.
    I think it's time that people with your ability to write (like some of the other bloggers that have commented on your writing), send their educated comments, and opinions to the major news stations, and point out the disinformation in their articles.
    The more comments the news stations receive showing the "other" point of view, the higher the chances that their news will reflect these true facts.
    It's tempting only to write to oneself, and to other bloggers or people that already hold a similar point of view. The harder and more challenging thing is to try to affect the mass media, and convince them that they are publishing biased articles, and that they are actually being used as propaganda for the terrorists.
    I think Israel needs help at this time, and obviously not all of us can contribute like others (and be in the IDF for instance). But if each one of us uses his ability to write, and sends his comments like I described above, there might be a chance for change. I fear that if we don’t affect the mass media, the public opinion that they are creating will affect their governments, and that could be very dangerous for Israel.
    What do you think?

    By Blogger worried, at 6:58 PM  

  • im back...yes i know you miss me but here we go:

    iran...sure alot of nice people....but they can kiss my a&&.you fund hezbollah...you are as good as holding the gun thats like me as a landlord a man comes in ask where a womans room is i know heses a rapist he then tells me hes going to rap her i give him a key he goes up stairs and raps then murders her then when the cops ask i say well its not my fault...what court wouldnt convict that landlord of helping to rape and murder a woman...hmm?

    next

    tell me what israel was sopposed to do when finaly after a year of peace two men where taken then demanded for ransom...oh yes lets not forget about the men killed when they attacked that post.
    oh i get you ever hear what most of the countries in eourope did in the 1930s well to appease hitler thay said here heres this county well we dont want more take a peace of this,well cant we agree that you wont attack anyone else aslong as we give you this...well in 1939 here he came to screw the day.....and that is what happens to countries when they depend on appeasement of course we learned didnt we we no longer are expected give into violence......wait...oh my bad wrong reality. show a bully your weak and he will not stop till he owns you.......thats why i sopport israels actions well almost you see those of you that accuse israel of being inhumane........remember those leaflets...well in a little"police action' we the use got involved in in this place called vietnam we used to tell the vc we were going to attack a specific target....so the politly set up sam sites and move all valuable equipment out of town....

    me if i ran a military campain i would have
    a.cut off a power to lebanon
    b.warned anyone in southern lebanon to leave r die
    c.stated we will bomd any armed vehicles fleeing...
    and then just used bunker busters on most lebonese towns...though i have have been told i have problems

    i was watching master and comander this movie with russel crow..good movie..when told that the only part that botherd them was when this 9yr old boy on the ship got his arm cut off cause it got infected i repyed why thats war


    this is war WAR it is hell no other question...

    ask any man that has been in it it is not fair crap happens

    problem:innocent lives are lost
    answer:dont start war threw actions or just meet in a feild some where blow the crap out of each other and leave the people out of it

    a hezbollah guy said i just want to fight israel face to face....as his people sent rockets at israel armed with ball bearings(aka shrapnell it wounds and maimes far more than it kills )right into israeli cities where there where no military vehicles???

    face to face look behind there curtain dorithy youll find a coward named nasarrall laughing as the world dies and he eats sweets in a bunker

    question where are all the bunkers hezbollah built the innocent lebonese???

    ah yes it is protecting its people with missile launchers

    By Blogger james, at 12:57 AM  

  • By Blogger qzx, at 3:46 PM  

  • Quick Q&A:

    Q: Which country alone in the Middle East has nuclear weapons?
    A: Israel.

    Q: Which country in the Middle East refuses to sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty and bars international inspections?
    A: Israel.

    Q: Which country in the Middle East seized the sovereign terri-tory of other nations by military force and continues to occupy it in defiance of United Nations Security Council resolutions?
    A: Israel.

    Q: Which country in the Middle East routinely violates the inter-national borders of another sovereign state with warplanes and artillery and naval gunfire?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What American ally in the Middle East has for years sent assassins into other countries to kill its political enemies (a practice sometimes called exporting terrorism)?
    A: Israel.

    Q: In which country in the Middle East have high-ranking military officers admitted publicly that unarmed prisoners of war were executed?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to prosecute its soldiers who have acknowledged executing prisoners of war?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country in the Middle East created 762,000 refugees and refuses to allow them to return to their homes, farms and businesses?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country in the Middle East refuses to pay compensation to people whose land, bank accounts and businesses it con-fiscated?
    A: Israel.

    Q: In what country in the Middle East was a high-ranking United Nations diplomat assassinated?
    A: Israel.

    Q: In what country in the Middle East did the man who ordered the assassination of a high-ranking U.N. diplomat become prime minister?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship in international waters, killing 33 and wounding 177 American sailors?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country on Planet Earth has the second most powerful lobby in the United States, according to a recent Fortune magazine survey of Washington insiders?
    A: Israel.

    Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
    A: Israel.

    Q: What country is the United States threatening to bomb because "U.N. Security Council resolutions must be obeyed?"
    A: Iraq.

    By Blogger qzx, at 4:33 PM  

  • qzx.......I have the distinct impression you do not like Israel and have nothing positive to say on the subject.

    Why don't you just express your loathing more succinctly rather than confusing yourself with so much additional persiflage ?

    By Blogger Voyager, at 4:57 PM  

  • qzx,

    I see that I need to state some facts and statistics here. Since CNN/BBC are to busy showing images of Israeli tanks rolling into Lebanon and showing the results of precision bombs blowing up targets of Beirut, I will have to let you know what you've been misssing.

    * 1.5 million people in Northern Israel are refugees.
    * 1 single Katyusha rocket contains 40,000 ball bearings. The rocket may not directly harm. Hezbollah wants to injure and kill as many as possible.
    *Israel, ONLY trying to defend itself does as little damage and harm as POSSILBLE. Hezbollah does the opposite. They try to inflict as much carnage and damage as possible.
    *The IAF watches rockets going off from Lebanon, they will not drop a bomb until they count 10 rockets being sent towards Israel. Why? Because the IAF has orders to wait until they were sure there are no civilians in the area. (We've already discussed the civilian hostages.) Again, I must stress that Hezbollah tries to inflict maximum damage on innocent Israelis while the IDF endangered its fighters and its civilians to protect one civilian Lebanese life. This reinforces to even non-religious participants what it means to be a Jew. Don't search for that on CNN, you won't find it.
    *"Hezbollah are crazed men who recognize no laws, no values or morals, and live with only one goal-to kill Jews. Nothing will satisfy them short of annihilating Israel. Their leader openly declares that he is orchestrating another Holocaust, while in the same breath, he denies the Holocaust ever took place".
    *As it says in Tehillim(Psalms)81 "If only My people would heed Me, if Israel would walk in My way, in an instant, I would subdue their foes and against their tormentors, lift My Hand." The message here is simple---even if you are a secular Jew, turn to G-d, pray, give tzedakah, and take on a mitzvah that you haven't done before in the merit of Klal Yisrael.

    AM YISRAEL CHAI!

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 5:51 PM  

  • See below. It's a known fact that Arafat, the biggest murderer of Jews since Hitler should have never received the award. But just for statistic purposes, we'll include his farce of an award.

    Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population...

    They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature:
    1988 - Najib Mahfooz.

    Peace:
    1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
    1994 - Yaser Arafat

    Physics:
    1990 - Elias James Corey
    1999 - Ahmed Zewail

    Medicine:
    1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
    1998 - Ferid Mourad



    Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 00.02% of the world population...

    They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

    Literature:
    1910 - Paul Heyse
    1927 - Henri Bergson
    1958 - Boris Pasternak
    1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
    1966 - Nelly Sachs
    1976 - Saul Bellow
    1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
    1981 - Elias Canetti
    1987 - Joseph Brodsky
    1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

    Peace:
    1911 - Alfred Fried
    1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
    1968 - Rene Cassin
    1973 - Henry Kissinger
    1978 - Menachem Begin
    1986 - Elie Wiesel
    1994 - Shimon Peres
    1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

    Physics:
    1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
    1906 - Henri Moissan
    1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
    1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
    1910 - Otto Wallach
    1915 - Richard Willstaetter
    1918 - Fritz Haber
    1921 - Albert Einstein
    1922 - Niels Bohr
    1925 - James Franck
    1925 - Gustav Hertz
    1943 - Gustav Stern
    1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
    1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
    1952 - Felix Bloch
    1954 - Max Born
    1958 - Igor Tamm
    1959 - Emilio Segre
    1960 - Donald A. Glaser
    1961 - Robert Hofstadter
    1961 - Melvin Calvin
    1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
    1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
    1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
    1965 - Julian Schwinger
    1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
    1971 - Dennis Gabor
    1972 - William Howard Stein
    1973 - Brian David Josephson
    1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
    1976 - Burton Richter
    1977 - Ilya Prigogine
    1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
    1978 - Peter L Kapitza
    1979 - Stephen Weinberg
    1979 - Sheldon Glashow
    1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
    1980 - Paul Berg
    1980 - Walter Gilbert
    1981 - Roald Hoffmann
    1982 - Aaron Klug
    1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
    1985 - Jerome Karle
    1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
    1988 - Robert Huber
    1988 - Leon Lederman
    1988 - Melvin Schwartz
    1988 - Jack Steinberger
    1989 - Sidney Altman
    1990 - Jerome Friedman
    1992 - Rudolph Marcus
    1995 - Martin Perl
    2000 - Alan J. Heeger

    Economics:
    1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
    1971 - Simon Kuznets
    1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
    1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
    1976 - Milton Friedman
    1978 - Herbert A. Simon
    1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
    1985 - Franco Modigliani
    1987 - Robert M. Solow
    1990 - Harry Markowitz
    1990 - Merton Miller
    1992 - Gary Becker
    1993 - Robert Fogel

    Medicine:
    1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
    1908 - Paul Erlich
    1914 - Robert Barany
    1922 - Otto Meyerhof
    1930 - Karl Landsteiner
    1931 - Otto Warburg
    1936 - Otto Loewi
    1944 - Joseph Erlanger
    1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
    1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
    1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
    1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
    1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
    1953 - Hans Krebs
    1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
    1958 - Joshua Lederberg
    1959 - Art hur Ko rnberg
    1964 - Konrad Bloch
    1965 - Francois Jacob
    1965 - Andre Lwoff
    1967 - George Wald
    1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
    1969 - Salvador Luria
    1970 - Julius Axelrod
    1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
    1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
    1975 - Howard Martin Temin
    1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
    1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
    1978 - Daniel Nathans
    1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
    1984 - Cesar Milstein
    1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
    1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
    1986 - Stanley Cohen (& Rita Levi-Montalcini)
    1988 - Gertrude Elion
    1989 - Harold Varmus
    1991 - Erwin Neher
    1991 - Bert Sakmann
    1993 - Richard J. Roberts
    1993 - Phillip Sharp
    1994 - Alfred Gilman
    1995 - Edward B. Lewis


    The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge.

    The Jews are not promoting brain washing their children in military training camps.

    The Jews are not teaching their children how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims.

    The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics.

    The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

    The Jews don't have the economic strength of petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world's media to see "their side" of the question.

    Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.


    Author Unknown

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 5:55 PM  

  • again, i must state my purpose, again and again and again.

    what frustrates me is the fact that many people here continue to pretend that one side is at fault here and the other carries all the blame.

    most arabs feel that they are blameless and it's all israel's fault. but as has been stated enough times here, that is not the case. however, the feelings being expressed here that israel is only justly defending itself and being so humane is also just as narrow-minded and self-righteous.

    each side believes they are blame free, and therefore are not willing to comprimise.

    the aim of my last post was not to demean or disrespect israelis or jews. only to point out the claim that the israel are angels and the arabs are devils is extremely naiive.

    the arabs also have many great scientific and philosophic achievements, more in the past centuries than recently, that is true. but this information is irrelevant to the point i'm trying to make.

    i believe that self-righteousness is the biggest problem standing in the way of peace.

    By Blogger qzx, at 7:14 PM  

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    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 7:19 PM  

  • i'm always curious about these edited comments. if it's meant for me, you can always add it to my blog ;-)

    By Blogger qzx, at 8:56 PM  

  • qzx,

    Okay here is the deleted post. A friend of mine said you have many doctored pictures on your website. I don't go to your website. So here is the deleted post...yes it WAS intended for you.

    Reuters admits altering Beirut photo



    Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut after Air Force attack after US blogs, photographers point out 'blatant evidence of manipulation.' Reuters' head of PR says in response, 'Reuters has suspended photographer until investigations are completed into changes made to photograph.' Photographer who sent altered image is same Reuters photographer behind many of images from Qana, which have also been subject of suspicions for being staged
    Yaakov Lappin



    A Reuters photograph of smoke rising from buildings in Beirut has been withdrawn after coming under attack by American web logs. The blogs accused Reuters of distorting the photograph to include more smoke and damage.
    The photograph showed two very heavy plumes of black smoke billowing from buildings in Beirut after an Air Force attack on the Lebanese capital. Reuters has since withdrawn the photograph from its website, along a message admitting that the image was distorted, and an apology to editors.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 9:53 PM  

  • so what does this mean? that no one is dying? that 150,000 people have fled the country just to fool the world into thinking that israel is killing innocent people?

    i don't get your point.

    By Blogger qzx, at 10:54 PM  

  • How can a country claim to be democratic yet have political parties with armies? I don't understand.
    I say smoke a peace pipe with some lebanese hashish-
    peace to all and don't teach hate.
    gene

    By Blogger gene, at 3:08 AM  

  • CNN has really taken Hezbollah in like a close and cozy old chum. It's digusting!!!! The media does not reflect the regular informed person on the street in America...support for Israel is strong and we will take care of the snakes slithering around us here. God bless and take care friends!

    By Blogger shimmer99, at 3:32 AM  

  • dude my dad is a super democrate and even he says there can be no peace till hezbollah is gone.......................dude thats bad

    By Blogger james, at 6:58 AM  

  • How can a country claim to be democratic yet have political parties with armies? I don't understand.

    Sinn Fein-IRA does just that.

    Then again the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) had its own armed wing separate from the Army - it was a Party Combat Unit called the Waffen-SS

    By Blogger Voyager, at 2:48 PM  

  • http://www.jihadwatch.org/

    What does the Arabic word jihad mean?

    One answer came last week, when Saddam Hussein had his Islamic leaders appeal to Muslims worldwide to join his jihad to defeat the "wicked Americans" should they attack Iraq; then he himself threatened the United States with jihad.

    As this suggests, jihad is "holy war." Or, more precisely: It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

    The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

    Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.

    Jihad in the sense of territorial expansion has always been a central aspect of Muslim life. That's how Muslims came to rule much of the Arabian Peninsula by the time of the Prophet Muhammad's death in 632. It's how, a century later, Muslims had conquered a region from Afghanistan to Spain. Subsequently, jihad spurred and justified Muslim conquests of such territories as India, Sudan, Anatolia, and the Balkans.

    Today, jihad is the world's foremost source of terrorism, inspiring a worldwide campaign of violence by self-proclaimed jihadist groups:

    The International Islamic Front for the Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders: Osama bin Laden's organization;
    Laskar Jihad: responsible for the murder of more than 10,000 Christians in Indonesia;
    Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami: a leading cause of violence in Kashmir;
    Palestinian Islamic Jihad: the most vicious anti-Israel terrorist group of them all;
    Egyptian Islamic Jihad: killed Anwar El-Sadat in 1981, many others since, and
    Yemeni Islamic Jihad: killed three American missionaries on Monday.
    But jihad's most ghastly present reality is in Sudan, where until recently the ruling party bore the slogan "Jihad, Victory and Martyrdom." For two decades, under government auspices, jihadists there have physically attacked non-Muslims, looted their belongings and killed their males.

    Jihadists then enslaved tens of thousands of females and children, forced them to convert to Islam, sent them on forced marches, beat them and set them to hard labor. The women and older girls also suffered ritual gang-rape, genital mutilation and a life of sexual servitude.

    Sudan's state-sponsored jihad has caused about 2 million deaths and the displacement of another 4 million - making it the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of our era.

    By Blogger PeaceMan, at 3:59 PM  

  • to the supposed "peaceman":

    a) it's unfair to attribute these things as fundamental parts of islam. there will always be crazy people that use religion to propagate their personal ideals. christianity and judaism has had their fair share of the same crap.

    b) get your facts straight. gang rapes? the religion forbids sex outside of marriage. forced conversion? i don't think so. i'm too tired to comment on all the other BS you have on there.

    By Blogger qzx, at 6:32 PM  

  • lol ah yes after all rape isnt so bad

    qzx if anyone ever raped my sister id kill them and every member of there family.......

    and christians arnt soppsed to have sex out of marrage either thats a crappy defense man and just to let you know they in suddan the government also likes to just rape and kill any person on land who isnt arab.yes rasism....emem good glad to know some people can be counted on to act like animal.no not animals but well whats worse a than a animal.ok whatever it is that


    qzx in all this i dont think you have learned....were human so are muslims hence we are foulable just because some one goes to church mean the follow the bibble or koran

    By Blogger james, at 2:44 AM  

  • james, you just confirmed the exact point i was making. there are PARTICULAR PEOPLE to blame for these actions, and not a religion, as "worldpeace" was arguing.

    read what i say and please don't put words in my mouth. i never said rape was ok. i just to put it as an attribute of an entire race or religion is... at the very least rediculous. it would be like me saying judaism values only jewish life, and all others are worthless.

    personally, i think the death penalty is acceptable for rapists. can't say i agree with you about killing the rapists family though... but if your attitude is common in israel, it explains what's happening in lebanon.

    By Blogger qzx, at 12:16 PM  

  • By Blogger qzx, at 6:33 PM  

  • "Israel said any moving vehicles in the zone - up to 30km (18 miles) inside Lebanon's border - would be destroyed."

    yeah, precision targetting of military targeting my F***ing a**.

    sorry, but it's hard to remain calm when crap like this is going on.

    By Blogger qzx, at 6:36 PM  

  • QZX,

    Do you live in Lebanon? If so, then I can understand why you just can't get past the media bias. It just seemed so ingrained in you that Israel is the bad guy. I am not trying to attack you. If you are from Lebanon, I empathize with the fact that your country is not what it was a month ago. BUT...you and I will disagree what the root cause of this is because you continue to see Israel as the perpetrator. The car warning is to dave lives. I am tired of going around in circles on the issue of embedded Hezbollah.

    I wanted to respond to what your comment:
    ..."there are PARTICULAR PEOPLE to blame for these actions, and not a religion, as "worldpeace" was arguing"

    I don't blame the Arab nation or Muslims as a whole. I do blame the people who want to kill me for being a Westerner and a Jew.

    When I was in Israel, I smiled at Arabs and Jews alike. I can honestly say that Arabs 99% of the time NEVER EVER smile back. There is hate. One experience I had was of a westernized Arab mother and her daughter passing by. The mother made her daughter cover her eyes because some of the people with me were wearing kippot. Those are the people who teach young innocent children to hate. Those are the people I blame for this war.

    Most of the hotels in Yerushalayim (Jerusalem) employ Israeli Arabs. I can't get inside someone's head but all I can say is that we had a conversaiton with a few and I saw sincerity in their eyes. They are against the infitada and just want to live in peace. This is what I want and this is what Israel wants.

    When the Beis Hamikdash stood, Gentiles were permitted to go there. Even today, if a Jew goes up to the Temple Mount, he/she is not permitted to pray. The Wakf observers stand there watching to see if they are moving their lips in prayer.

    I agree w/you that rapists should get the death penalty and that their familes should not.


    Just curious, what are your thoughts on Ahmadinejad? Do you support his nuclear program?

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 7:55 PM  

  • By Blogger FreeCyprus, at 8:58 PM  

  • freecyprus: probably fact.

    freepeace: never smile back? maybe it's a cultural thing. who knows? ever been to munich? they make jordanians look cheerful! it doesn't necessarily mean hate.

    the mother making her daighter cover her eyes... well, definitely strange. but i also can't imagine the intentions of such an action being hate. fear perhaps?

    just some ideas. you were there, not me.

    for iran: i think Ahmadinejad sounds like a crackpot for sure. nobody should have nuclear weapons. NOBODY. and that's where the problem is.

    don't you think it's a little hypocritical to demand one country to disarm while for others no one says anything?

    By Blogger qzx, at 1:30 AM  

  • Look at this link:

    eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/qana-directors-cut.html

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 3:27 PM  

  • ok... and what does this imply? does it mean the following never happened?

    - about 1,000 dead, mostly civilian?
    - about 1,000,000 homeless?
    - Humanitarian organizations unable to get aid to those who need it?
    - $2 Billion of civil infrastructure destroyed?
    - The oil spill? The worst environmental disaster in the history of the country?
    - Israel now occupies even more Lebanese land?

    Even if we acknowledge that the photos are staged or fake, what does this prove?

    By Blogger qzx, at 4:06 PM  

  • By Blogger qzx, at 4:10 PM  

  • *The photos prove lies & propaganda.

    *1000 dead is a gross exageration.

    *1,500,000 million are homeless in Israel.

    *Humanitarian aid:
    'Humanitarian Aid' Hides Weapons to Hizbullah
    18:12 Aug 06, '06 / 12 Av 5766
    Hizbullah terrorists have received weapons hidden beneath goods and supplies in trucks ostensibly destined for humanitarian aid, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters Sunday afternoon. He instructed intelligence officers to explain to the press Hizbullah tactics.

    *Civil infrastructure:
    Israel warned Lebanon that if they didn't release the kidnapped soldiers, Lebanon would be brought back 20 years in time. Good ol George Bush has pledged unbelievable amounts of money to make Lebanon even better than it was a month ago.

    Speaking about occupation, the so called 'Palestinians' are primarily Jordanians whom Jordan didn't want. They occupy parts of Israel. They don't belong there, they belong back in Jordan where they came from. The rest of the "Arab World" saw that a nationless, homeless people would be an effective tool against Israel and instead of these countries (Jordan in particular) assimilating the "rebels" into their country, they ignored them and allowed the cancer to grow inside Israel.

    Israel in Lebanon:

    If the Lebonese/Hezbollah hadn't kidnapped soldiers and attacked Israel, Israel wouln't be there.

    By Blogger worldpeace613, at 4:35 PM  

  • not enough time to answer everything (but i think Galloway, from the video i linked to, doesn't do a bad job), but one particular thing has to be addressed:

    why do israelis act like the land was empty before they came? as if palestinians never existed? 60% percent of jordanians are of palestinian origin. that's how many people israel has already kicked out of their homes.

    palestinians aren't jordanians jordan didn't want. it's almost the reverse. jordanians are actually mostly originally palestinians.

    By Blogger qzx, at 9:23 PM  

  • gsx..... nobody cares about your bullshit. What the hezzy's are getting what they deserve. Go spew your leftist commy shit somewhere else and - as always - have a nice day.

    By Blogger tesanista, at 1:41 AM  

  • pimf qzx

    By Blogger tesanista, at 1:42 AM  

  • ok sorry and about the kill rapist family thing well i was in a bad mood and considering my mom is dead my dad has canser and my sister is my twin and is very dear to me.....im also just a little bit over protective

    anyways qzx you just go back over the same thing the past the past the past tell me why dont the organizations in palastin instead of spending money on guns spend it on better education for there children infostructure farming and construction equipment and so on and so forth...

    and i was wondering it seems to me there is almost a there is no hope ever in all the arab world is it real or is it just a sort of hopelessness....and why is it a condition of there culture or society or what?

    By Blogger james, at 5:38 AM  

  • you have to look at the past to understand why things are happening. otherwise, you can blame either side easily by cutting your timeline wherever it suits you.

    personally, i think both sides should just forget about the past and concentrate on stopping the violence NOW. but as long as people are pointing accusing fingers, you have to look to the past to understand.

    as for building infrastructure... you know, it's really easy to build infrastructure when you get several billion dollars of aid every year... and when you have the ability to freely move around... and people's rights and resources aren't being violated by outsiders... do i need to go on?

    hopelessness? what condition do you mean exactly. jordan, lebanon (until last month), and other arab countries have been doing quite well recently. or do you think they all still live in tents?

    By Blogger qzx, at 6:23 AM  

  • tesanista: you too, have an amazing day :-)

    By Blogger qzx, at 6:25 AM  

  • You've had a mention on the BBC website. See:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4775393.stm

    Opinion here still split re. the war. Hopefully this mornings' news re. bomb plot against airliners might swing it in Israel's favour.

    By Blogger Joseph of Arimathea, at 11:42 PM  

  • As for trade, Lebanon’s exports consist mostly of fruit, vegetables and pharmaceuticals of the illegal kind: according to a recent analysis by Stratfor, ‘Hezbollah maintains a network of processing centres for turning Afghan opium into heroin, and methamphetamine labs in the Bekaa valley, with some opium and marijuana produced locally as well.’ No doubt most of that has been knocked out too.

    http://tinyurl.com/lf4sv

    By Blogger Voyager, at 11:50 AM  

  • voyager, you are a liar... or just a silly little person. a quick trip to the CIA website yields the following:

    This entry provides a rank ordering of exported products starting with the most important: authentic jewelry, inorganic chemicals, miscellaneous consumer goods, fruit, tobacco, construction minerals, electric power machinery and switchgear, textile fibers, paper
    ----
    Illicit drugs:
    cannabis cultivation dramatically reduced to 2,500 hectares in 2002; opium poppy cultivation minimal; small amounts of Latin American cocaine and Southwest Asian heroin transit country on way to European markets and for Middle Eastern consumption
    -----
    i think if there was any evidence at all that hizbolla was dealing with drugs, the US would have this information posted here (and highlighted to make sure everyone sees it).

    nice try at some propagande anyways.

    By Blogger qzx, at 1:38 PM  

  • Pipsqueak aka qzx try reading ITALICS then look at the URL.............these are nOT my words but a quotation from a magazine.

    I wanted to see what comments it elicited. You fell full-square into the hole.

    Now start to behave litke an adult instead of a pubescent teenager and stop crying.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 4:01 PM  

  • http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/terrorism.php?id=172598

    In Western Europe, it is the drug trade, car theft rings and people smuggling that are the backbone of Hezbollah’s criminal operations. A large percentage of the cannabis and heroin consumed by Europeans either originates or is processed in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley. It is a trade whose estimated annual income is thought to exceed $1 billion, of which Hezbollah controls the majority share. Hezbollah uses its involvement in people smuggling both to provide a means of transporting illegal drugs from the Middle East and North Africa into Europe and as a way of introducing more potential supporters to its existing networks in Western European states. Similarly, the cross-border trade in stolen luxury vehicles provides both a way of smuggling illegal drugs between countries and a steady revenue stream from the sale of the stolen cars themselves.

    http://www.freelebanon.org/articles/a226.htm

    Hezbollah has in fact set up elaborate ways and means to manage the civilian populous to work for them. First of all the local population has limited to no employment in the region but to work for Hezbollah's operated enterprises and this mainly includes fieldwork-cultivating poppies.

    From there the poppies are taken to processing facilities and turned into heroin, opium tar and hashish. These drugs are then packaged for shipment out of Lebanon to the European Union, Asia, South America an North America. However, certain amounts of these illicit drugs are produced for medicinal purposes for Hezbollah’s two hospitals. Hezbollah's Agriculture Minister Ali Abdullah is reportedly in charge of producing a yearly cash crop of these drugs for Hezbollah. Reportedly production is at a rise and so are profits at a tune of an estimated $85 to $95 million US dollars annually.

    To assist bringing these drugs to Lebanese ports Hezbollah has franchised into its own construction firm called the Jihad el-Bina' or social wing of the Islamic Jihad for Social Construction. Its director is a man by the name of Mahmoud Mais. Reports state that since the May 2000 pull out of the SLA and Israeli troops from southern Lebanon, Jihad el-Bina' have assisted Lebanese Army units in fortifying border positions and towns, built new roadways, have begun to rebuild villages severely damaged by the war and have begun to rebuild airfields and port facilities throughout Lebanon.


    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/01/terror/main520457.shtml

    http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_l3.htm

    http://tinyurl.com/hegnt

    An estimated 100,000-plus Lebanese live in West Africa, where they have formed the core of the region’s merchant class since they began sailing here over a century ago. Middle East crises of the 1970s and 1980s sent another wave of Lebanese immigrants to West Africa. Many Lebanese retain strong business, cultural and family ties to their homeland.



    Now Pipsqueak aka gzx learn to read Official Statistics - they do NOT include criminal activity in their GDP numbers and the IMF and World Bank do not either. So any figures the CIA Handbook give you are excluding proceeds of crime. Funny that !

    By Blogger Voyager, at 4:18 PM  

  • yeah, the article you quoted first stated that lebanon's main exports are mostly fuits and drugs. looking at the CIA report, we see that fruits comes in at number 4. if you know a little bit of math, you can easily see that fruits is definitely (and probably much) less than 1/4 of lebanon's exports.

    hence, the statement, independent of the drug report, is false. and this makes the website untrustable.

    so please excuse me for ignoring the rest your right wing "material". i'm guessing you believe all palestinians should be shipped out to the other arab countrys "where they came from" and "where they belong". correct if i'm wrong. if you don't believe this, let me know. otherwise, in PC terms, our beliefs are too different for us to have a reasonable conversation.

    By Blogger qzx, at 7:21 PM  

  • Hi Pisqueak I see you are either a non-English speaker or simply plain ignorant.

    'Country' is singular - the plural is 'Countries'


    in PC terms, our beliefs are too different for us to have a reasonable conversation.

    "PC" = Personal Computer ?

    You don't have "beliefs" you have hard-wired prejudice. You cast aspersions on others and engage in smear tactics. You are far too self-righteous and priggish. the main thing is that you think you are never wrong.

    PC is probably appropriate - you should name yourself "GI-GO" since you have the attributes

    By Blogger Voyager, at 7:41 PM  

  • looking at the CIA report,


    Official Statistics - they do NOT include criminal activity in their GDP numbers and the IMF and World Bank do not either. So any figures the CIA Handbook give you are excluding proceeds of crime. Funny that !

    The balance of payments statistics are weak. The data reflect deficiencies in the current
    account (unrecorded exports, underestimation of private sector services and workers'
    remittances), the capital account (grants), and the financial account (equity investment in the
    nonbank private sector, and corporate borrowing abroad).


    Source: IMF Country Report No. 06/201 June 2006

    By Blogger Voyager, at 7:53 PM  

  • voyager, thanks for the english lesson, but it was a typo. i was just in a hurry. and now it's my turn to return the favor:

    PC = politically correct.

    now, it would be useful if you could explain "gi-go" to me..? the closest thing i can think of is "gi-joe", but i'm not sure.

    hard-wired? hmmm... i'm a philosophy student. i don't belong to any religion. i attend mosques and churches with friends when i have time. and anytime i run into someone preeching a religion (scientologists and mormons so far), i take the time to learn about their beliefs.

    i don't know any jews. but if i did, i'd ask them to invite me to synagogue. either way, once i finish the bible, and the book of mormon. i'll then order the tora and tannakh. after that maybe i'll take a look at a scientology book.

    so that's a bit about old, hard-wired me. so tell me about yourself. maybe i can get some tips to improve myself and become more open minded like you.

    By Blogger qzx, at 3:09 AM  

  • Israel stuck a convoy of refugees LEAVING the south. now even if you can say convoys claiming to carry aid to the south may be smuggling weapons, what can you say about a convoy leaving the south and headed north?

    By Blogger qzx, at 5:41 AM  

  • Well gzx I am a graduate in philosophy, but I don't count Scientology as a religion - noone in Europe recognises it as such. it is a Cult like the Moonies. Mormons are a sect and I do not accept their "Bible" nor Joseph Smith. Nor do I accept Jehovah's Witnesses.

    If you spread yourself too wide you'll be lost in Gnosticism, Baalism, and Animism, Candomble etc.

    GI-GO is computer shortcut for "Garbage In - Garbage Out"

    Your posting at 3.09 is the very first I have seen from you inviting discussion and not 'core-dumping' an agenda. It augurs well for proper conversation...........maybe we can discuss.........and maybe you should read The Old & New Testaments and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer and then Torah (Stone does a good Tanach at Amazon) and see how the Christian translation of the Old Testament differs from the Jewish.

    The main point is to read some Immanuel Kant too - Kritik der Reinen Vernunft" and J Paton's book "The Moral Law"

    Do try also Karl Popper - "The Open Society and Its Enemies"

    BTW.......I am not Jewish but Anglican

    By Blogger Voyager, at 1:32 PM  

  • "Your posting at 3.09 is the very first I have seen from you inviting discussion and not 'core-dumping' an agenda."

    tha same could be said about your posts :-)

    By Blogger qzx, at 5:10 PM  

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