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Wednesday, August 16, 2006

The fallout continues

Soldiers returning from the south of Lebanon have interesting things to say (via - Following a couple of fighting days they asked for resupplies, they were told they will receive it but it didn't arrive. Exhaustion setting in they realized that they quickly need to find food or they will lose focus, so they entered houses in the village of A-tiiba and cooked for themselves, one scant meal a day for 12 days until they reached the Litani river and were given the order to turn back. For water they searched houses and added Chlorine to tap water.

This is one report from one troop, how widespread this was I do not know but it shows of a severe lack of planning and organization that went on in the IDF.

A glimpse into an infantry soldiers day is a ten mile (17 km) or so walk, sometimes helping carrying stretchers with wounded, heat, keep quite, keep low. Modus operandi is to scout out an area and pick a tactical position and lay in wait, sometimes for 24 hours, observation, sniper action, upon spotting more significant activity consulting with head quarters and then going in for a coordinated attack with other groups in the area. Clearing areas in such a way and moving forward with your rear securing the positions. That is what we do, and we are supposed to be very good at it. It didn't happen quite like that this time.

Instead of having perfectly coordinated movements and constant resupplies what went on there is best described as chaos. Not to exaggerate but this is what I keep hearing and reading.

There have been numerous cases of near friendly fire, troops not knowning the movements of fellow soldiers, rapid changes in objectives (march to one village, reach it, suddenly order is given to turn and head for a different one). "We didn't use even 10% of our capability" one soldier said, they were the first to reach the Litani and just as they were getting ready to truly deploy they were called back. Just as they started breaking Hezbollah they were called back and neither they nor I, and really I haven't seen anybody offer an explanation to this yet. On the way back they saw the late arriving food supplies that were left in the field, in one case an arms supply was dropped onto a wrong hilltop basically arming Hezbollah instead.

Our current militarily inexperienced government held the army back, the army leadership is in teeters as well. Where are the generals? It's astonishingly irresponsible what went on there. I can understand trying to go out of their way to not hurt Lebanese civilians (that is very much the case, the military picture of what went on there is becoming more and more clear) but soldiers are not playthings, indecisiveness means casualties. Heads need to roll and there needs to be a shakeup, we cannot afford to have this repeat again in the next conflict which will in fact be worse.

Peres (on a visit in the united states) said that he obligates himself to stand behind Olmert in these difficult hours. "This is not the time for internal wars in Israel , because this war is far from over," he said, stating his full backing for the prime minister. I can understand that, but Hezbollah's strongest tool turned out to be their propaganda, while what hurt us the most was weak leadership, a military shakeup at the very least needs to happen as soon as possible, and there in fact people who are looking into this already. Also notice that he said hours. If this cease fire sticks (and that is uncertain) we need to have swift reelections, in a matter of months. Things need to change, I cannot stress this enough. Most Israeli's think we failed, and rightfully so in light of the previous paragraphs. We failed ourselves.

In other news, while few people seem to be talking about our two kidnapped soldiers, even fewer seem to talk about our third one. Gilad Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas who now announced they want 600 prisoners for his return, Egypt acting as broker. You read that right, that's six-hundred. While I badly want to see him back, accepting that deal would be insane as it will only anchorage more kidnappings. This wouldn't be a first however.

The media are also upto their same old tricks, Reuters photoshop and staged photos not enough? How about a BBC reporter out right lying! In a video that could have come straight from a Hezbollah's PR vault Barbara Plett claimed that the entire town of Bint Jbeil was destroyed. Luckily she wasn't the only reporter there, and cross referencing their reports reveals the truth. This from a country where just days ago a large terror plot was foiled meant to kill thousands of people and to be largely executed by homegrown (UK born) terrorists. Insanity.

Here is an image of the view behind her.

"As you can see, the centre of the town destroyed on a really wholesale scale, more so than since the last civilians left here, though it has to be said that on the outskirts, the suburbs - pretty much untouched by the Israeli attack and invasion."

This is why I love the blogosphere, kudos drinkingfromhome. Do any of the British readers here want to comment on the fact that your tax money is paying this womans salary?


  • Barbara Plett is the same wench who cried when Arafat was dying, so nothing surprises me from her anymore.

    By Blogger Joshua, at 6:50 AM  

  • same old media bull.and next time make a army general in charge of the ground campaine

    By Blogger james, at 6:57 AM  

  • Here I am being naive again, but how can the so-called MSM be allowed to put out such blatant lies? I can ALMOST understand when reporters air thier opinions, but to publicly proclaim fiction as fact is incomprehensible to me. That is what is expected of tabloids, not the MSM.
    Keep up your good work Eugene, we need YOU to keep it honest for us.

    By Blogger Maureen, at 7:22 AM  

  • BTW only anchorage more kidnappings. "Encourage" is a better word than "anchorage"

    Yes first contact proves how well organised things are, and clearly Israel has let much atrophy in the past few years. We were warned that causualties would be high since armies pay with lives for inadequate preparation.

    There needs to be more training at the top and the bottom and possibly more training with troops who have been fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and have had similar contact with the enemy.

    As I recall Yom Kippur 1973 threw Isael onto the backfoot too

    By Blogger Voyager, at 2:01 PM  

  • I am Uk resident and I would like to comment as invited to do.

    First of all, the reporter was Orla Guerin, not Barbara Plett. Before you call her biased and anti semitic go back and watch her reports about the Israel-Palestinian conflict. See how many times she defended Israel's actions and condemned the Palestinians as terrorists hurting thier own cause.

    Secondly, what she said was that she'd "been walking for a few minutes..." without seeing an undamaged building. She never claimed to have done an extensive survey of all the buildings in the town.

    What you seem to be saying is that despite the extensive damage done, there are still some buildings standing so the town has only been partially, not completely destroyed?? Do you suggest that all the residents go back today and start to live life as normal then? I put it to you that you can destroy a town and completely suck the life out of it without destroying every single building! I actually agree with her notion that the town has been wiped out based on several reports i've seen, not just Guerin's.

    I want to challenge this notion that somehow the foiled attack in the Uk had ANYTHING to do with Israel's war against Hezbollah. Hezbollah is not the same as al-Qaeda!! Sure, both have used terrorist tactics, both dispute Israel's right to exist and both are Islamic but there I think is where the similarity ends.

    The Israeli media and establishment seem to be pushing hard this notion that thier war is our war. I want it to be clear that I do not support Hezbollah or defend anything they say or do!!Al-Qaeda are attacking the Shia in Iraq who are supposed to be Hezbollah's main constituency in Lebanon. If they were not fighting Israel, Hezbollah will probably be fighting with al-Qaeda! Hezbollah does not set off indiscriminate car bombs or send suicide bombers into shopping malls. In fact Hezbollah actually CONDEMNED the Sept. 11 attack on the WTC towers and the murder of Nick Berg!! Hezbollah's enemy is Israel so as Israelis you can and should feel justified in wating them all wiped out. As a British resident, I feel al-Qaeda is the enemy and I feel Hezbollah is no threat to me whatsoever!!!

    By Blogger olufela, at 2:39 PM  


    Anonymous said...

    I know Orla. First of all, she's not married to a Palestnian, she's married to an Egyptian. They did, however, meet at an Israeli roadblock in the West Bank.
    As for the guy who claims she a) was held at gunpoint by Israeli soldiers and b) speaks Hebrew, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither of those things are true.
    What IS true is that Orla is a perfectly nice person, chatty, personable and lovely...except for the tiny problem of her distate for Jews. Not individual Jews, just Jews as a nation. I used to work with her. She simply has it in her head that Jews writ large don't deserve the same guarantees as the rest of the nations. By definition, Palestinians, Lebanese, et al are VICTIMS of Jewish agression, nevermind who threw the first stone. Nevermind who targets civilians. Nevermind all that stuff. Oh, and while we're at it...Americans. They're also boorish and unsophisticated. They don't see the noble savage as she does - a brave, honorable warrior whose way of life was destroyed by Western imperialism. I'll stop now...

    8:06 PM

    Orla Guerin is married to Michael Georgy, reuters correspondent in Baghdad

    By Blogger Voyager, at 3:07 PM  

  • ah on behalf of all my "Americans. They're also boorish and unsophisticated. They don't see the noble savage as she does - a brave, honorable warrior whose way of life was destroyed by Western imperialism. I'll stop now..."

    em noble like the vikings that raided britain about 1000 yrs ago im sure they were all noble raping pillagin

    lady you ever been to my town?
    i always though brits were cool and intellagent maybe i was wron

    but i have a question whats a noble savage you want to see one get a history book plenty of honorable men and women have died under so called noble savages blades and bullets

    oh yea and as for honor i believe its being forced out of the world and what of hezzbollahs rockets that explode sending small ball bearings into children on perpuse?

    oh yea ill make sure to call all muslims now or lebonese savages....thell like that

    ps thanks for showing me good old imperialistic british veiws arnt all gone you retard

    By Blogger james, at 4:19 PM  

  • lady you ever been to my town?
    i always though brits were cool and intellagent maybe i was wron

    You are wrong. She's IRISH.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 6:09 PM  

  • james said...

    ...what of hezzbollahs rockets that explode sending small ball bearings into children on perpuse?

    Well, what about the unexploded cluster bombs littered around towns and villages in south lebanon? They kill children too!!

    It is ironic that in the month or so of warfare Hezbollah with thier low tech weapons, managed to kill more soldiers than civilians while Israel with the most precise and accurate waepons in the world managed to kill many more civilians than Hezbollah... go figure!!

    By Blogger olufela, at 6:33 PM  

  • dude olufela its always that way with war you ever seen pictures of germany after ww2?
    we dont do that anymore but weapons do malfunction mistakes are made(airforce commander in charge of a ground offensive)expecialy when poloticians run a war happened in vietnam these people were told to leave an area before these bombings...they either didnt or were prevented from..the blame is hezzbollahs

    wake the heck up ppl its called WAR thats what these ppl bet on when they kiddnapped those soldiers
    as ive said before war is horrible and should never be taken on lightly scotch,irish,italian,sicilian, british,german,and no bad talk about de irish or any other mentioned ppls
    oh yea a little french.feel free to talk about french

    By Blogger james, at 7:22 PM  

  • to kill more soldiers than civilians while Israel with the most precise and accurate waepons in the world managed to kill many more civilians than Hezbollah... go figure!!

    I wouldn't accuse Israel of having the most accurate weapons in the world............!

    Then again if I sit in an apartment building and fire at you with my Barrett rifle, you have to kill a lot of apartment-dwellers before you get me. That is why it is sensible to hide munitions and 'soldiers' in civilian areas - Hezbollah deserves full marks for using camouflage.

    It is always a good idea to put artillery pieces near hospitals - the Argentinians did that on The Falkands - makes good photos if any incoming hits the hospital.

    The best tactic is to booby-trap corpses and set a lot of roadside bombs and mines - what i don't understand is why Hezbollah didn't mine the roads the refugees were using - it would have been good TV footage......maybe next time.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 7:46 PM  

  • To olufela:
    Thank you! You just opened my eyes. Do many people in EU think like you?
    What do you need to wake up? Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamaz... Sunis, Shiias... Who cares, what different factions call themselves? It's called militaristic Islam, and every infidel is considered an enemy. EVERY ONE. They will gladly stop fighting among themselves for a second and combine their forces to destroy you. Yes, you in UK. And me in the US. When will you begin to understand that it's not an "Israeli war", it's our war. All of us. And Israel is the only one fighting. Well, US helps a little.

    By Blogger margot, at 12:36 AM  

  • Margot i have to disagree with you!! And YES many people do think like me!! I think your problem is that you cannot or will not pay attention to nuance.

    Just look at Iraq. The different factions there seem to prefer to fight each other than US troops! There are some groups that would like to kill all infidels... sure! Al-Qaeda is the most prominent of these.

    Can you name me one attack that has been proved to be by Hizbollah outside Israel or Lebanon? If they are so determined to kill us all and they have all these dangerous weapons, what are they waiting for?? The people who have actually attacked America, Britain, Spain, Bali, etc are al-Qaeda NOT Hezbollah. We should be chasing the people who attacked us and let Israel do what it has to do to defend itself against those that attacked it on her own.

    It is a simplistic and quite dangerous attitude to think that every muslim who takes up arms thinks like Osama Bin Laden. It was just like this in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was dismissed and labelled a terrorist. All groups fighting the white supremacist Aparthied governemnt were all terrorists and therefore not to be taken seriously.

    When will people learn? Till people get justice there won't be peace!! The issue of Palestine must be solved if for nothing else but to expose those who are just using the issue as an excuse to murder!

    By Blogger olufela, at 3:27 AM  

  • Till people get justice there won't be peace!!

    The real war is between Iran and Saudi Arabia for control of the region's oil. It was Saddam who wanted rockets to threaten Iran and Saudi Arabia so he could control oil, but he is gone so now it is Iran which challenges Saudi Arabia.

    Iran wants Shia control of the Middle East so it can dictate to Europe how it will beg for oil; and it is Saudi Arabia that has Israel in the role of defending Sunni Islam in the Middle East.

    It is time people thought strategically and not parochially. The standard of living in Western Europe depends on energy - all those office jobs and PCs and photocopiers consume more energy that factories did and generate none themselves.

    Iran wants to be a regional power and expel Christians and Jews from the Middle East. The war is between Wahabbism and Khomeini-ism

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:43 AM  

  • t was just like this in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was dismissed and labelled a terrorist.

    He was a terrorist - he was involved in bombings - he was a prisoner on Robbin Island.

    Don't you think terrorists should be put on trial and jailed ? Then release those arrested in London - they have done far less than Nelson Mandela did

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:44 AM  

  • olufela:

    An offshoot militant wing [of the ANC], the Umkhonto we Sizwe (UWS), the "Spear of the Nation," was created by Mandela and others to bring the apartheid government down by use of sabotage. Mandela went underground and eventually left the country without permission, training in terrorist camps in Algeria and addressing the Pan-African Freedom Movement conference in Addis Ababa in January 1962. ............. He spoke approvingly of bombings in Fort Hare, Durban, and Johannesburg, and claimed that he was sending ANC members for guerrilla training.

    Mandela returned to South Africa in 1962 and while in custody, was arrested and tried in the Rivonia trials. Rivonia was the headquarters of a group of saboteurs accused of blowing up not only government buildings but also the homes of government officials. Mandela did not deny that he was a member of the UWS and that it was engaged in sabotage, but claimed that the UWS did not engage in bombings of private homes.

    Sometimes lost in the reports of the trial was a document that South African police found when they raided the UWS headquarters, the plans for Operation Maribuye, which detailed the targets that the UWS intended to hit and listed the strategic and tactical considerations that the group should consider. It is, in effect, a plan for war, and contrary to the rhetoric of the ANC and Mandela, both at the trial and in subsequent years, the UWS saboteurs had already claimed lives as well as buildings for their victims.

    Mandela was convicted and sentenced to life in prison; he was incarcerated at Robben Island, a maximum-security prison near Cape Town;

    By Blogger Voyager, at 10:26 AM  

  • Can you name me one attack that has been proved to be by Hizbollah outside Israel or Lebanon?

    - TWA hijacking in the 80s.

    -'92 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentine

    -'94 bombing of the Jewish Community Center in Argentina

    By Blogger Lurker456, at 10:57 PM  

  • So, Israeli Bunker Blogger misquotes a journalist he/she falsely names...did IBB actually watch the report?
    As for the usual ignorant BS about Islam vs.the West or convenient omission of US interests in the equation (hmm Voyager?)...I wonder if it's even worth responding. My advice to those who really wish to find the facts is don't rely on slogans and half baked explanations. There are so many balanced sources out there.

    By Blogger Jez, at 11:30 PM  

  • I stand corrected Lurker456.

    I still however believe that that al-Qaeda and Hezbollah are seperate problems and do not become the same because they choose the same tactics. Terrorism is a tactic!! Hezbollah is a problem for Israel and by association, the USA. If both countries decide to go after them, fair enough. I am still not convinced even with the events you list that I am in any danger from them if I stay off American airliners and away from Jewish centres. If I did have to or want to use these facilities I would certainly see them as a threat. Al-Qaeda however make me feel like I may be blown up anywhere, at any time!

    Hezbollah is probably the biggest threat to Israel who can easily make a case for fighting them but i think that al-Qaeda (which is not linked to Hezbollah in any way) is the bigger threat to the world. That is the point I tried to make albeit imperfectly.

    By Blogger olufela, at 11:36 PM  

  • Lurker, apparently no-one has been prosecuted in any of the cases you listed, so it's hardly 'proven' Hizbollah involvement.

    By Blogger Jez, at 11:42 PM  

  • Olufela,

    On the recent Al Qaeda 'threat', I suggest caution. Check out

    As for the biggest threat to Israel, I would say it is Israeli, US and Western in general
    foreign policy.

    By Blogger Jez, at 11:46 PM  

  • Lurker, get your facts straight:

    92 Argentina bombing:

    A group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility; their stated motive for the attack was Israel's assassination of Hezbollah leader Sheikh Abbas al-Musawi. On February 16, 1992, Israeli helicopters had attacked a motorcade in southern Lebanon, killing Musawi, his wife, son, and four others. Israel said the attack had been planned as an assassination attempt.

    AMIA bombing in 94:

    Argentina, Israel and the US[1] suspect that Hezbollah was behind the attack, with backing from Iran. Hezbollah denies responsibility. (just like the WMD's in iraq)

    the TWA hijacking:

    another one blamed on Hizbollah, but no conclusive proof. but what's more interesting are the demands of the terrorists:

    - the release of all Shiites captured by Israel in Lebanon (hundreds if not thousands of lebanese are missing from the last israeli occupation).
    - international condemnation of Israeli military activity in southern Lebanon;
    - condemnation of U.S. actions in the Middle East;
    - and condemnation of the March 8, 1985, car bombing in the Beirut suburb of Bir al Abed earlier that year. Rumors in Beirut suggested that the car bombing, which had killed 80 people, was linked to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

    terrorism is horrible and wrong, but you gotta admit, what they were demanding, shouldn't even need demanding...

    By Blogger qzx, at 12:15 AM  

  • "Gilad Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas who now announced they want 600 prisoners for his return, Egypt acting as broker. You read that right, that's six-hundred."

    I suppose the insinuation is, that 600 against 1 is an unfair demand.If Palestinians were holding 600 Israeli prisonners that would be true.The fact is, only ONE Israeli prisonner is being held by Palestinians. Indeed, prior to the kidnap of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli comabattant, Israelis have been kidnapping
    Palestinians for years. Only days prior to Gilad Shalit's kidnap, two Palestians, Osama and Mustafa Abu Muamar , were kidnapped IN Gaza by Tsahal.

    By Blogger Jez, at 12:18 AM  

  • Can all those who condemn the terrorists say if they also condemn Menachem Begin, the Irgun and the King David Hotel bombing in 1946?

    By Blogger olufela, at 2:40 AM  

  • Can all those who condemn the terrorists say if they also condemn Menachem Begin, the Irgun and the King David Hotel bombing in 1946?

    No I did not....I had not been born.....I think it was a criminal act hhowever against the legitimate League of Nations power - akin to the murder of the UN Representative in Baghdad.

    Now Olufela - YOU condemn it !

    By Blogger Voyager, at 8:49 AM  

  • Irgun WAS a terrorist group. Israel today is a terrorist state, as are the US, Britain among others. I condemn the use of terror. Terror is never a justifiable act. However, in attempting to understand (not justify) islamic or arab resistance use of terror, it is necessary to point out, that the party with the most power to harm and to bring about change is Israel (and the US).The source of terror is Israel, not Hizbollah or Hamas, which only appeared in the 1980's, during the Lebanese war and the Palestinian intifada (against Israeli occupation). Once again, that is not a justification for any terror whatsoever, but in attempting to halt war and terror, understanding is more important than justification.

    By Blogger Jez, at 10:15 AM  

  • Voyager, I condemn any attack against non combatants in any war.

    By Blogger olufela, at 2:18 PM  

  • Not good enough must condemn the destruction of the King David Hotel in 1946 by Menachem Begin inter alia.

    No general statements but a specific condemnation.

    By Blogger Voyager, at 3:54 PM  

  • a terrorist state, as are the US, Britain among others

    Oh Jez you forgot France, Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Bangladesh,

    By Blogger Voyager, at 3:56 PM  

  • and dont forget those danes and cannadias.those dam tricky

    By Blogger james, at 4:27 PM  

  • I condemn all the killing of non combatants by Menachem Begin and the Irgun, al-Qaeda, Hizbollah and Hamas.

    By Blogger olufela, at 5:23 PM  

  • Visit Observat√≥rio da Jihad:

    By Blogger Sliver, at 1:58 AM  

  • qzx. I enjoy your copy paste from Wikipedia. Please cite next time.

    Imad Mugniyah is believed to be one of the highjackers from the TWA flight. He has also been charged in Argentina for both bombings there. And all he happens to be is just a senior Hizbullah member.

    View here:

    By Blogger Lurker456, at 10:19 AM  

  • my bad, i thought i had the source mentioned somewhere.

    Imad Mugniyah: again... "believed to be", "accused of"...

    By Blogger qzx, at 6:16 PM  

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